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10K OCI's
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Put in Redline and run to 10K.
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All, I am considering going to 10K oci's. I am having sleepless nights thinking about it. First a little background:
I have a 2k3 Durango with a 4.7 liter engine. It has 77.5K miles. I do round trip 100+ miles a day all highway. I use Pennzoil Platinum 10w30 and Supertech Synthetic. I alternate between the 2. I use Amsoil SDF-15 filters.
I need to know from you knowledgable people, is it OK if I do this and not damage my engine?
Thanks in advance!
Dont go by what people tell you go but what a UOA tells you. UOA's give the real story.
I recently read AutoBild article about small SUVs comparison. They mentioned 15k km OCI for Suzuki Grand Vitara 2.0 diesel and 30k km for Toyota RAV-4...
They don't even mention the oil type.
Why Europeans do not sweat over long OCIs and use whatever oil to run them? Yes, their oil is much more expensive then what we've got here. But how much better is it? Why there is no outcry about blown-up sludge monsters there in Europe?
I don't get it.
They don't even mention the oil type.
Why Europeans do not sweat over long OCIs and use whatever oil to run them? Yes, their oil is much more expensive then what we've got here. But how much better is it? Why there is no outcry about blown-up sludge monsters there in Europe?
I don't get it.
European culture and U.S. culture are very different in terms of their atitudes and practices regarding automobiles. Cost is a big factor, but also driving is more of a privilidge in Europe and the Europeans have a greater appreciation for it. Americans (generally speaking) are basically stupid sheep in regards to cars and driving and for the most part either ignore what they are being told and do nothing, or blindly follow the recommendations of manufacturers and oil companies and/or self-professed experts, like many we see here.
And just WHO would that BE? There isn't a lot of room between doing nothing, and doing what's recommended. And, while under warranty, most folks "blindly follow the recommendations of manufacturers".
Nice addition to the convo, there, Ace. If you tried a little harder, maybe you could show even LESS respect for the "self-professed experts, like many we see here". Not to mention the U.S. car culture in general. You post from France don't you?
That we have in this country all these avenues for maintenance, repair and OCI in order to enable folks to fit their maintenance into their 50-60 hour work weeks, a concept Europe can't begin to imagine, tells me more than your backhanded slap at the American car culture. Grow UP. Lose some of the anger..
Sorry if you took offense, but it's the truth. People with even the slightest appreciation for autos and auto mechanics are a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of the population in this country. Much smaller portion than say for example, FRANCE.
BTW, I've spent many years living in Germany and the UK, and only spent a few hours in France on several occasions.
BTW, I've spent many years living in Germany and the UK, and only spent a few hours in France on several occasions.
Nah, I wasn't taking offense. Who needs that?
It was...Disdain
It was...Disdain
OK, sorry if you experienced disdain reading that post, but if you refuse to believe the truth, that is your issue to deal with.
The question was asked "Why there is no outcry about blown-up sludge monsters there in Europe?" and I gave the answer. It's not heard about much because it happens alot less over there. They take care of their cars. Simple as that, believe it or not.
The question was asked "Why there is no outcry about blown-up sludge monsters there in Europe?" and I gave the answer. It's not heard about much because it happens alot less over there. They take care of their cars. Simple as that, believe it or not.
Sorry, I don't buy it. There are fewer GMs, fewer Chryslers of the type quoted, and fewer cars by far on the old continent. They drive a miniscule number of miles per car, per day and per driver. Total European auto use is a miserable pittance compared to the U.S. Further, I don't see a lot of sludge monster reporting in the news, just here and the forums. Even further, and especially with the LOOOONG OCI they run, you telling me there's no sludge-monstering going on in Europe? Please, Ace, you're just doing a little Fellow-Citizen bashing with your little rant:
That isn't a casual remark on the state of auto maintenance, that's an angry something or other else, and completely without basis in fact or recognized statistic regarding the millions of miles driven every day, and the sheer numbers of cars on the road in this country which dwarf by any measure those on the European Continent.
And, kindly keep your
to yourself until you're quoting some sustainable fact rather than an emotional anti-rant..
Your Freudian slip is showing..
That isn't a casual remark on the state of auto maintenance, that's an angry something or other else, and completely without basis in fact or recognized statistic regarding the millions of miles driven every day, and the sheer numbers of cars on the road in this country which dwarf by any measure those on the European Continent.
And, kindly keep your
Your Freudian slip is showing..
Not for a shade over twenty years, but when I did, EVERYONE traveled on trains. Italy, Rome to Naples and back, Germany, Britain, Portsmouth to London, Wilhelmshaven to Amsterdam. They have mass transit this country can only dream of. Which is why they have so few cars, by comparison, to the US of A. Nothing has changed, if anything the script of mass transit vs. the auto has gone even further given the high price of oil/gas, and the taxes they pay on vehicles to begin with. They have no room in their cities to park, nor driveways to rest them in at night. It simply doesn't compare, Ace..
Further, any community in the US over 25,000 is ringed with and connected to other cities by InterStates that make the AutoBahn look like a goat's path in the quantity of traffic comparison. Besides, on your beloved AutoBahn, they kill a dozen or more people per 100,000 miles driven on the AutoBahn than they do per million miles driven on US Interstates, so when you have a few facts for us, Ace, yall come back with em. NHTSA and the military authorities in Germany will confirm that tidbit for you..
Oh, and my travels in the service (since you're so impressed with your travels) carried me to Israel twice, Egypt twice, Tunis, Venice, Milan, Sicily, Spain, Britain, Germany, Amsterdam, France, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Bahama, and of course, MY favorite, the coast of Iran, 1980, aboard the deck of USS Nimitz. We tried..
Now ease up, you're going to pop a vasectomy clip over there, and THEN what?
Further, any community in the US over 25,000 is ringed with and connected to other cities by InterStates that make the AutoBahn look like a goat's path in the quantity of traffic comparison. Besides, on your beloved AutoBahn, they kill a dozen or more people per 100,000 miles driven on the AutoBahn than they do per million miles driven on US Interstates, so when you have a few facts for us, Ace, yall come back with em. NHTSA and the military authorities in Germany will confirm that tidbit for you..
Oh, and my travels in the service (since you're so impressed with your travels) carried me to Israel twice, Egypt twice, Tunis, Venice, Milan, Sicily, Spain, Britain, Germany, Amsterdam, France, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Bahama, and of course, MY favorite, the coast of Iran, 1980, aboard the deck of USS Nimitz. We tried..
Now ease up, you're going to pop a vasectomy clip over there, and THEN what?
I've learned that it is a good idea to avoid sex, politics, and religion in forum discussions - c o c k t a i l party rules.
Trying to get this discussion back to oil, if you have a look at the paper at the link below, I think there are a couple of things to be learned. (It is from the UK and is quite dated - 2000). First is that Europeans don't drive like we may think they do. See the stats in the paper. Second, thin energy saving oils were tested in both European and NA engines that were not designed for them. They performed similarily and very well in both types.
http://www.iantaylor.org.uk/papers/IMechEFE2000.pdf
Trying to get this discussion back to oil, if you have a look at the paper at the link below, I think there are a couple of things to be learned. (It is from the UK and is quite dated - 2000). First is that Europeans don't drive like we may think they do. See the stats in the paper. Second, thin energy saving oils were tested in both European and NA engines that were not designed for them. They performed similarily and very well in both types.
http://www.iantaylor.org.uk/papers/IMechEFE2000.pdf
I don't know what Autobahn you have driven on, but they are hardly goat paths. In general, they are in much better condition than our Interstate Highways in the U.S. They are built to last, with very high quality materials, not just a thin coat of ashphalt over crumbling concrete, which seams to be normal road maintenance in the U.S.
The Autobahns are mile after mile of smooth pavement, where the average speed is such that it would make many Americans poop their pants. I don't know about your crash statistics, but German's, and many other Europeans, are much better drivers than their U.S. counterparts IMHO.
The other poster is right about the car culture and maintenance habits in Europe. They take driving much more seriously, they are better drivers and they are better at maintaining their cars.
In comparison to Europe, the U.S. "highways" are slow speed roads used by drivers with less training and skill than the average European. Like it or not, that is the way it is. And yes, I frequent Europe frequently, I know what I'm talking about.
In terms of the traffic they carry compared to Interstates between and around any major city in the US, they're goat paths. I don't dispute the quality of the roads, but they kill themselves out there at an astonishing rate. The high speeds (and differing speeds of the cars that travel the AutoBahn with the fast movers) contribute to horrendous accidents that drive their death rate per 100,000 miles driven to many times that of the United States. THAT does not indicate better driving. Better pavement? That's nice, but it doesn't matter. We also have hundreds of millions more miles of roads bridges, tunnels and Interstates to maintain, who can afford to build that many roads to an AutoBahn spec?
In the cities, the great cities, London, Berlin, Rome, and other heavily populated areas, there simply aren't the sheer numbers of cars we have here. People don't even own cars, the young are lucky to own a motorcycle. There's no comparison to the US statistically or in fact.
You folks have only your bias. Until we see some positive stats, this Euro-superiority myth regarding all things automotive remains just that, myth and bias. I can show NHTSA and DOT figures comparing the US and Europe regarding death/injury rates per 100,000 and 1 million miles traveled, and the rate at which Europeans are injured and die in their cars (again, per millions of miles driven) dwarfs the US rate.
As to who (or is it whom?) takes better care of their cars? Go on, prove that. I wanna see industry stats, parts sales, quarts of oil per vehicle registered, number of tires sold per vehicle registered. Gallons of coolant per vehicle registered. And who's to interpet it? There's no subjective measure, because collectively, and individually, we in the US drive far, far more, own more cars, and consume more gasoline, oil and support from auto maintenance to such imbalance that there is no comparison to make between US drivers and Euro drivers. We can afford to, we don't tax folks to drive to the degree the Euros do. That's not politics, it's fact.
You're entitled to your illusions, but they're just that until you can "prove" this so-called Euro automotive superiority. I'm open to the concept, now prove it.
Otherwise, I've had my say. Cheero!
Quite..
In the cities, the great cities, London, Berlin, Rome, and other heavily populated areas, there simply aren't the sheer numbers of cars we have here. People don't even own cars, the young are lucky to own a motorcycle. There's no comparison to the US statistically or in fact.
You folks have only your bias. Until we see some positive stats, this Euro-superiority myth regarding all things automotive remains just that, myth and bias. I can show NHTSA and DOT figures comparing the US and Europe regarding death/injury rates per 100,000 and 1 million miles traveled, and the rate at which Europeans are injured and die in their cars (again, per millions of miles driven) dwarfs the US rate.
As to who (or is it whom?) takes better care of their cars? Go on, prove that. I wanna see industry stats, parts sales, quarts of oil per vehicle registered, number of tires sold per vehicle registered. Gallons of coolant per vehicle registered. And who's to interpet it? There's no subjective measure, because collectively, and individually, we in the US drive far, far more, own more cars, and consume more gasoline, oil and support from auto maintenance to such imbalance that there is no comparison to make between US drivers and Euro drivers. We can afford to, we don't tax folks to drive to the degree the Euros do. That's not politics, it's fact.
You're entitled to your illusions, but they're just that until you can "prove" this so-called Euro automotive superiority. I'm open to the concept, now prove it.
Otherwise, I've had my say. Cheero!
Quite..
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