OK, so what is it for then?
0W-20 A3/B4 Availability
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No it isn’t. That’s the point, without being an API grade designation they can make it whatever they want. And your comment about this being in the European section is laughable. You really don’t know what we’re talking about, do you?
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I think you are thinking about the API, the SAE is who defines the viscosity grades, the standard by which everybody goes by.
You really do not know what you talking about, do you?
"Manufactured to far exceed"
Marketing fluff. Says nothing about actually meeting the spec.
I missed that gem. I would like to see methodology behind "far exceed?"
So is it or isn't it an A3/B4?
Because in the UK they can't claim it and advertise that fact without it being true.
I am glad you know more about oil than Millers.
I can read.
Which means I understand that this is an A3/B4.
Now run along and Email Millers with your expert opinion.
Okay.
I will send a mail to millers about this actually.
The way it reads, they aren't actually claiming that it meets ACEA A3/B4. All they're saying is that it was manufactured to far exceed it, which sounds like a bunch of weasel language to me.
Please do. And also ask them what this oil's HT/HS viscosity is.
Because someone calls this an A3/B4 oil (which they're not even calling it that), doesn't make it so.
Perhaps try an open-minded approach to an idea that opposes your own, rather than digging your heels in. In the end, we're all simply here to learn more, are we not?
Hmmm, not so sure.
You seem to think ACEA and SAE are unrelated. That is not the case and if you look at the ACEA sequences you will see frequent references to SAE J300 for the viscosity specifications.
And yet they are allowed to state OEM approvals they don't hold? Example.
...but no sign of ANY Millers oils on the Mercedes-Benz approval list for 229.51. In fact Millers don't appear to hold a single MB approval of any level on any fluid, yet they state that various oils meet these needs. I use MB as an example as they publish their approved oil lists so can be verified - no idea if it is the same for other OEMs.
For the benefit of balance I also checked and found that Millers have signed up to the ATIEL Code of Practice, which is mandatory for making an ACEA engine oil claim but also requires that a signed-up company follows all applicable requirements for making such claims.
They did not state OEM approval but rather a "performance profile". Still I was surprised to see they didn't have a single 229.51 or 229.52 approval as they do have some VW504 / 507 approvals. Learn something every day.
On your other point, VW also publish approval lists in PDF form which you can download from the Erwin website - you just need to register for free first. However, it's not a fully live database and the current files are dated March 2020. I think the MB site is better.
On your other point, VW also publish approval lists in PDF form which you can download from the Erwin website - you just need to register for free first. However, it's not a fully live database and the current files are dated March 2020. I think the MB site is better.
