09 4Runner V-6 11,112 miles Schaeffers 9000 5W30

[joatmon]

All used Schaeffers 9000 5W30
All used no detectable oil with no makeup added
All had oil filter change using the factory filter

Date 9/20/09 1/31/09 7/12/08 2/2/08

Miles
Unit 38382 27270 17280 9093
Oil 11112 9990 8187 5950

Cu 4 7 7 17
Fe 24 24 22 24
Cr 0 0 0 1
Ni 0 1 0 1
Ti 0 0 0 0
V 0 0 0 0
Ag 0 0 0
Pb 0 0 0 5
Sn 1 1 0 5
Al 8 8 7 9
Si 37 32 34 53
Na 11 17 18 12
K 2 3 2 2
Mo 257 237 228 233
B 2 3 3 3
Ba 1 1 0 2
Ca 1936 1802 1686 1948
Mg 9 8 7 10
Mn 0 0 0 1
P 686 619 562 704
Sb 39 36 28 25
Zn 906 842 722 845

Ferris Debris 10 5 15 6
Anti Freeze N N N N
Fuel Dilute N N N N
Water N N N N

Vis cSt @100C 11.4 11.1 10.6 9.3

FTIR on the last 2 analysis:
Sulf 35 33
Oxid 35 32
Nitr 18 17

This 4Runner is driven hard with a combination of city and highway driving. No makeup oil or additives used. When I changed to the oil in this analysis, the oil level was mid way between add and full. I left it there the whole time and monitored. No detectable oil consumption. A new air filter was installed at the oil change time. I can find no air leakage, but it seems as though it very well may be present.

 

[Johnny]

Looks good. I would like to see how your truck performs with their 7000 series 5W-30. I would bet the results would be close to the same.

 

[addyguy]

Silicon is high, and it causing some extra piston wear - look at your aluminum number. It's not catastrophically high, but it's higher than average, and IS increased wear.

I'd find that air leak.

 

[joatmon]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
Looks good. I would like to see how your truck performs with their 7000 series 5W-30. I would bet the results would be close to the same.


Johnny,

Thanks for the comments. I've used lots of 7000 in the past and always had great results. I'll probably return to it when I exhaust my supply.

joat

 

[joatmon]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
Silicon is high, and it causing some extra piston wear - look at your aluminum number. It's not catastrophically high, but it's higher than average, and IS increased wear.

I'd find that air leak.


addy,

Thanks, and I agree. I always use OEM air filters and the element and housing on this 4 Runner seems to be a good design. I'll look more closely.

I also noticed the oil started to thicken a bit, so, I'm going to change at about 12k next time.

joat

 

[addyguy]

Yeah, I noticed that - possibly getting more solids in the oil is thickening it.

For now, I'd stick closer to 9-10k until the air filtering isse is definetly solved.....

 

[joatmon]

The unit is an 07 4Runner. Sorry for the mistake.

 

[FZ1]

You need to shorten these runs to 7500 max;you got a lot of metals in the oil.

 

[BearZDefect]

Originally Posted By: FZ1
You need to shorten these runs to 7500 max;you got a lot of metals in the oil.
Is that a lot?

 

[JohnBrowning]

That is one of the best I have seen with Schaffers oil on a Toyota really. I do wish that iron was lower people talk about M1 like it is shedding iron like mad but look at this an no one has said a word. I am very consistent and do not have a favorite really I like results and not much else matters to me. I still am not that impressed though. If the silicone is the root cause then it needs to be fixed but how much silicone does this oil have and how new is the engine? What is the filter in it currently? ALl of this stuff makes an impact on what I think is going on in the engine.

So not bad but that silicone and iron need to drop a lot to be impresive!

 

[Pablo]

Fe does seem a tad high, but it's numerically consistent even though you are going more miles. I'll bet if you get Al to drop, Fe will follow.

 

[panthermike]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Fe does seem a tad high, but it's numerically consistent even though you are going more miles. I'll bet if you get Al to drop, Fe will follow.


+1, Iron isn't bad at all for an 11,112 run. Get the Si down and I bet everything else improves as well.

 

[Mokanic]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
Silicon is high, and it causing some extra piston wear - look at your aluminum number. It's not catastrophically high, but it's higher than average, and IS increased wear.

I'd find that air leak.


What???

 

[JohnBrowning]

I bet that M1 0W40 would drop his iron in half even if he did another 11,000 mile OCI! If it does not a single person would give it credit becasue everyone likes to hate M1! The only reason this oil is not being torn into for such high iron in a Toyota engine is because the oil is sold by a sponsor of this site! I bet Amsoil Series 3000 5W30 would drop this iron to half what it is now as well in another 11,000 mile run.

 

[JohnBrowning]

IN fact this is a Dollar a Quart Oil from the Dollar Tree in an 07 Toyota tacoma so it is the same V6 and transmission as int he 4Runner. The oil was run for 4900 miles and if you take his iron and tripple it it is still less then 1/2 as high as the 4Runner running Schafer's. Here is the link https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2007-tacoma-v6-10w30-semi-synthetic-trop-artic.115940/

Schaffers and Toyota's do not make good bed partners not when you look at the cost of getting it shipped to your house and compare that to what you can get at Walmart that will out perform it every time like say M1! Sure Amsoil S3K 5W30 and Redline 5W30 will blow the doors off M1 but for bang for the book it is hard to beat M1 in Toyota's! I do not think we have seen high iron in Toyota's running M1?Not as a norm at least!

 

[panthermike]

Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
IN fact this is a Dollar a Quart Oil from the Dollar Tree in an 07 Toyota tacoma so it is the same V6 and transmission as int he 4Runner. The oil was run for 4900 miles and if you take his iron and tripple it it is still less then 1/2 as high as the 4Runner running Schafer's. Here is the link https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/2007-tacoma-v6-10w30-semi-synthetic-trop-artic.115940/

Schaffers and Toyota's do not make good bed partners not when you look at the cost of getting it shipped to your house and compare that to what you can get at Walmart that will out perform it every time like say M1! Sure Amsoil S3K 5W30 and Redline 5W30 will blow the doors off M1 but for bang for the book it is hard to beat M1 in Toyota's! I do not think we have seen high iron in Toyota's running M1?Not as a norm at least!




That dollar oil is Trop Artic. I would also like to point out that the run you posted was only 3000 miles(4900 was the universal average). The iron is still lower when you take this into account. I don't buy the "Toyota and Schaeffer's doesn't mix well". Also, do you have proof that M1 will perform better than Schaeffer's EVERY time?

I'm running the Schaeffer's products in all of our Corolla's right now, they're all running great. Comparing one UOA with another doesn't prove much to me. Also, don't forget about the Silicon, it's considerably higher in the 4 runner, which can attribute to more wear.

Not trying to get you worked up, but I just wanted to point a few things out to you.

 

[addyguy]

Originally Posted By: Mokanic
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Silicon is high, and it causing some extra piston wear - look at your aluminum number. It's not catastrophically high, but it's higher than average, and IS increased wear.

I'd find that air leak.


What???


Uuummm....don't see what was so hard to understand with that post, there, Mokanic. Si and Al are somewhat high for the miles, so that 'usually' means the increased grit is causing incread piston wear, which is where Al comes from on most engines....

 

[JohnBrowning]

Panthermike have you tried looking through the hundreds of pages of UOA! Yes M1 will work better then Schaffers in a Toyota every single time! We have not seen a single UOA that shows Schaffer's to do anything much cheaper oils cannot do that are available OTC in Toyota's!

All UOA of non-sludge Toyota's show excellent results with M1. I do not ask you to trust me even though I have boat loads of integrity trust the UOA on this site !

 

[panthermike]

Yes, i've seen UOA's John, which proves nothing to me. Some people place a very high value on UOA's and PPM, I don't.

There is no issue of trust here, just personal opinion. I choose Schaeffer's because of their track record, performance and the way my vehicles run with the product. There is no reason to believe that this 4 Runner won't last a few hundred thousand miles on Schaeffer's, nor is there proof that it would last longer on M1. I think M1 is a good oil, but I prefer Schaeffer's, it's just my perference.

Main point; you don't like Schaeffer's in Toyota's, I do. You don't use Schaeffer's oil, I do. That is the bottom line. I do realize you have your own opinions which I respect, but opinions don't equate to fact. I'll let you know if one of our Toyota's loses its engine.

 

[Mokanic]

Panthermike have you tried looking through the hundreds of pages of UOA! Yes M1 will work better then Schaffers in a Toyota every single time! We have not seen a single UOA that shows Schaffer's to do anything much cheaper oils cannot do that are available OTC in Toyota's!

All UOA of non-sludge Toyota's show excellent results with M1. I do not ask you to trust me even though I have boat loads of integrity trust the UOA on this site !

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Sorry John, you are way off on this one. I've posted results in the past of several of my customer's Yodas running 13K intervals on Schaeffer oils. Not sure what you problem with Schaeffer is or if you just don't like the reputation M1 has but to say that M1 is best in every Toyota is way out there. I have no beef with M1 but my customer's Yodas are doing much better with Schaeffer oils for less money than the M1 would cost them over the counter at China-Mart. I have no desire to turn this into a M1 war. It is fine oil but it isn't the end-all oil for any car. I'll put up my customers uoa results in their Toyotas up against about any oil that costs the same per qt. There are oils that will run out longer intervals but they are not near the same cost per qt.