Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
No need to beg - differ all you want, brother!
To answer your question: nope, not even close!
If the two cars were identical, then they would have passed all other checks, which would include a review of receipts, a check of fluids and other conditions around the car, as well as a test drive. Selling for top dollar does make a difference, because people will expect more (at a certain price pointed it also keeps at bay the tire kickers and some low-ballers...or maybe not - some people have no shame!)
Case in point: I found a good price on a '13 Forester before I purchased my '15 Legacy. The price was average, but the guy said his wife drove it like a gramma, mostly high, yada yada yada. The maintenance records were fine, but the car was kind of beat, such as badly swirled paint, minor dog damage inside, etc. The thing that turned me off, was that when I checked the dipstick it was below the add mark halfway through the OCI. The tires were also @ 20# each. So, even though this guy's wife may have had the vehicle serviced every 5-6k miles, they did nothing in-between. That engine might have seen multiple thousands of miles with a sump 2+ quarts low.
Conversely, I ended up trading my STI (due to accident damage, which I disclosed) instead of selling it, but had I sold it privately I would have had UOA to show that intervals longer than most are comfortable with were perfectly fine. I was also tuned Cobb Stage 1 and data-logged religiously, so I could have shown data logs from 3rd-gear pulls and long high trips - every so often, I would setup my laptop to data-log over a couple of hrs during long drives, then condense, set rules and color-code the data for review. With STI's being owned by some who are numbnuts, I would personally have been very pleased to buy one from myself, with UOA and data logs to show things are good (barring the accident).
No begging I was being polite. You missed my point totally, then put a spin on it. In my example both vehicles were identical, in every regard, price, color, miles, condition, usage, etc. Only I didn't spell it out like I did now, I thought it was clear, sorry. Every single thing identical except the OCI 5K vs. 10K. So basically to you it doesn't matter, or you'd take the car that was serviced with 10K intervals? Sorry I don't take UOA's as Gospel, especially in this case where the terms of my point being made were spelled out and the OCI is twice as long.
And yes, I do know how to price a car and screen people to reduce tire kickers.
Maybe we should post up a poll and ask. No comments just follow the example I laid out above and answer 5K interval or a 10K interval.
The cheesy coffee emoji was meant to invoke silliness, to set the tone for my entire post (light-hearted). Your tone seems pretty harsh, but I'll assume I'm reading too much into it.
There are no two cars that are identical, so I don't really see the point of hypothesizing about it. It's like asking me to choose between two identical cars, except that one was driven 100% highway and another was driven 95% highway. It's meaningless. The answer to any of these hypothetical questions, even if you had some magical way to determine that two cars were even close to identical, is: "it depends."
In real lift, it's more like: Car A had 5k intervals and all other service done, but shows signs of a lot of under-body rust for its age. Another had less proof of maintenance, but was spotlessly detailed and all fluids look to be in good shape. Both cars run equally well. Which would you choose? That's not even including one of the most important factors to me - the seller. Does he or she have receipts, do they know about the car, can they answer basic questions, like how much consumption is there, what happened here?
oints at potential issue: Why is the left rear tire 10# lower than the rest - is it a slow leaker or what? Satisfactory answers that don't sound like they're coming from a prize-winning used-car salesman instill a lot more confidence than someone who knows nothing about their car.
With all that said, I'll humor you, and in the context of my original comment (RE: UOA to back it up). If two cars WERE identical, except that one car followed 5k OCI (without UOA to back it up) and another ran 10k OCI (with a UOA provided and showing good results) I would 100% choose the vehicle that was backed up by UOA. I don't see UOA as providing conclusive proof that the engine is running perfectly, but I do believe it provides enough proof to show that the OIL handled the interval.
To end it all: what is happening to BITOG? It seems like we've regressed in the past several years. It used to be people pushing oils to their limits and sharing the results. There appear to be many members here who come here for everything other than oil, but post about how 5k OCI's are the bees knees, because it has always worked for them and no way, no how is anyone going to change their mind - anyone who opts for 10k+ intervals or TWO OFI's is a maniac with screw loose upstairs, bless their heart!
Harsh, sorry that's the problem with writing sometimes and emoji's I guess. I took a defensive posture, because of the tone I perceived from your message, it's all good!
I realize there are no 2 cars identical, I just needed to set the foundation for the critics that's all. Either way if I'm in the market for a used car and see two similar cars, close in price, miles and condition, etc.... and it comes down to how they were maintained the 5K OCI will win over the 10K OCI every time for me.
FTR I have no problem with people trying to stretch out an OCI, or every possible mile out of one. I find the threads interesting, and learn from them as well. I just felt like tossing in my
a little differently this time.
Once again
Great reply, sir. I completely understand your point. I take your response to mean that an owner who extended his or her intervals and had UOA's to provide would win out over a vehicle that had none, but could prove maintenance at shorter intervals?