"You're not special!"

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Originally Posted By: Shannow
15 year lack of professional development, plus decades of baby boomer downsizing has meant that people are having to be paid as 'though they ARE special, then develop into the role.


still waiting on my "i'm special" pay to grow in to the role...
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Never said I think the world will go down in flames, but never before have we had a generation expect so much, from so few, for so little effort.


Well, never before has life been so easy: (even ordinary, working-class) people *do* enjoy a higher quality of life; both materialistically and culturally, with less effort and less hardship than at any point in human history.

I see, too, that young people's reticence to participate as a rat in the rat race may have equal part a disdain for the rat race than an aversion toward work. All of the young people I've ever met, and I'll include myself when I was [mumbles something] years younger have had astonishing amounts of energy and great levels of passion and drive. Directing that drive to make someone else wealthy or even to chase after wealth, though, may be losing it's novelty to a generation who don't regard material security as that much of a luxury. I'll bet the bright lights of Las Vegas and the skyscrapers in New York hold less of a "wow!" factor to those who've lived there their entire lives; likewise I think that people just entering the "real world" are finding less reward in having it said to them by the world "if you work work work work work for those that own the means of production, they'll throw enough peanuts at you that you can OWN SOME STUFF!"

I wonder if this attitude is a natural evolution of an industrial society, where things ebb and flow and balance each other. Perhaps these kids ARE going to have less, do less, own less, achieve less but will craft their world according to a different set of values. I just hope they don't go too far with it and I hope those values end up being good.

I wonder, too, if all of this complaining that's being done about the lazy so-and-so's growing up is also a natural reaction by a generation that worked worked worked worked so very hard to provide a better, easier life for those who are now going to live that life according to their own values, and not necessarily the ones that were intended to be carried on.

Who knows, Pablo? Maybe as these kids grow up they'll cultivate their sense of entitlement so that it seems natural to extend entitlement to the world's resources to everyone else, too; and instead of abiding by a world where everyone is competing with everyone else for artificially-limited resources they re-apportion society's wealth into some kind of first-generation Utopia that their kids and their kids and their kids can build upon? And instead of everyone holed up in boxes disconnected from each other, everyone ends up working together and singing Kumbaya? Wouldn't we look silly generations from now complaining that they aren't embracing an ethos of "work work work so you can acquire acquire acquire more more more"?

In summary: It seems that we have a generation of entitled, spoiled, bored rich kids who are looking for something else to do with their lives than scramble around for crumbs. They want to be important and do big things without having to actually put in effort to learn or to work toward anything. (I wonder, too, if these observations were made *verbatim* by generations that preceded *us*! I wonder what my old man had to say about my work ethic and attitude years ago...) I work much, much, much less than I did when I had a full-time job and was also building up a business of my own: Now I spend all of my time with my kids! And I regard my work work work attitude of my 20's as a misguided, grievous error; all self-centred and self-serving and centred on getting stuff and things and travelling and me me me me me. *That*, ironically seems juvenile!
 
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Never said I think the world will go down in flames

Its on fire right now! These lazy SOB's who don't want to work because the guy that owns the company makes more money than they do lit it.
 
I find certain fears and lack of hope in many young adults.
[And not without reason!]
They see what is going on in the world, and have some perspective of the past.
On paper, things do not look good.
I can understand attitudes that are not from "Leave It To Beaver".
 
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My favorite news story was the man interviewing the "poor" people waiting in line for food at a food bank. Each of them had a cell phone, a car, a big screen tv, air conditioning, etc.

Even the poor live well around here!

Things are a real mess, and after Wisconsin I think people are getting tired of the way things are.
 
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I don't see it that way. I see young people questioning their government a lot more in recent years, taking on loads of debt to educate themselves to compete in a global economy and living in a time where our bought government and banking institutions are wrecking the economy/and or need major reform.

Human beings have always been somewhat lazy. I don't think this younger generation is any worse or better. You can't help what time period you were born into. Just because someone on lower income has a cell phone means nothing. What about corporate welfare btw? Nice of you to ignore that monstrosity.

And my generation has been handed a disaster that I believe started in the early 80's. These were baby boomers, not gen y or x....

Democracy is not safe when private power is stronger than the state itself....these words hold true to this day.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
I don't see it that way. I see young people questioning their government a lot more in recent years, taking on loads of debt to educate themselves to compete in a global economy and living in a time where our bought government and banking institutions are wrecking the economy/and or need major reform.

Human beings have always been somewhat lazy. I don't think this younger generation is any worse or better. You can't help what time period you were born into. Just because someone on lower income has a cell phone means nothing. What about corporate welfare btw? Nice of you to ignore that monstrosity.

And my generation has been handed a disaster that I believe started in the early 80's. These were baby boomers, not gen y or x....

Democracy is not safe when private power is stronger than the state itself....these words hold true to this day.



I definitely believe the blame rests on multiple generations. This stuff does not happen overnight, and the current young generations are not powerful enough to have created the situation...but the Boomers are. It's not just their fault either, but it's not uncommon for older generations to point the finger solely at young people when in fact they sowed the seeds for the current situation.
 
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but it's not uncommon for older generations to point the finger solely at young people when in fact they sowed the seeds for the current situation.


Exactly and it's usually those that are doing just fine and rode the wave yet didn't see the illusion all along.

These financial crises and economic events have always occurred. We find ways to move on.
 
I don't get where anyone would say things are easier now than in the past. I don't think things have been this bad for the average male since the 1940's if not before. I don't want to point fingers but it's just like baby boomers to say things are easier now for later generations, or to blame the later generations. Most of the people I know who were born before the baby boomers such as in the 30's who really saw bad times and then later good times, don't say things are easier now. That speaks volumes right there.

I've seen it in my life time how jobs, the economy and society has gone to pot over the past few decades. I'm not saying things were all good in the past but if you applied yourself, you would find opportunity and reward. No one wants (although they still do) to work hard because hard work is not rewarded or honored anymore.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
No one wants (although they still do) to work hard because hard work is not rewarded or honored anymore.


I must say, THAT is the biggest problem we face today. The majority of people don't want to exceed and when you do give it your all, in many cases, you aren't rewarded for genuinely good, hard, honest work anymore. It's why I'm working towards working for myself. The only person that rewards my hard work and commitment I've found, is myself. And clients when they see I cross every t and dot every i so they don't have to. But managers and bosses?
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Upper management I've ever worked with are all kindergarteners from what I've seen. It's the sociopathic idiots who rise the ranks of the social structure in many organizations. I think it's slowly becoming reversed as companies become lean and the real hard workers who actually add value are, at a minimum, being found within organizations.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
No one wants (although they still do) to work hard because hard work is not rewarded or honored anymore.


You nailed it there. A lot of companies treat their employees like dirt. There is more motivation to be an idiot than to work hard. I saw it all the time at the company I used to be working for. I was promoted into a decent paying salaried position, and after that it was like the harder I worked, the more was demanded of me. I spent most of the day doing things that were not at all in my job description because some of the people above me were too stupid and/or too lazy to get them done. My numbers were great, and I was even doing some things remotely for other branches of the company, but it was never enough. The managers above me who were actually in my department were great, but they were getting treated like [censored] too. I had cross functional managers who were also my managers who I had to listen to, and they were unbelievable idiots. I had to cuss one out on the phone one day. Never reprimanded because I was right and he was an idiot. These guys would get huge raises too...our whole department, none. Eventhough we seemed to be the only ones trying to keep the sorry ship afloat. Over the course of months I started to really hate it, and I got a twitch in one of my eyes that wouldn't go away. It was driving me nuts. One day at about 5:45 AM as I was driving to work, I just said "I'm gonna quit today." That was it, gave my 2 weeks, HR lady called and tried to stop me, but I said "nope, I'm done." The salary just wasn't worth it, especially when the twitch in my eye went away.

So screw it, I'd rather do manual labor because it's more rewarding. I busted my [censored] today, will get a fat check for it, and I'm happy.
 
Reminds me of a comic strip I saw years ago. It showed two identical cars from behind, both stopped at a light. On one was a bumper sticker that read "My kid is an honor student at XYZ middle school!". On the other car, the bumper sticker said "My kid can shoot the eye out of a squirrel at 30 yards!"

Guess which one will never go hungry?
 
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