Sad news for all Trekkies: Grace Lee Whitney, who played gorgeous Yeoman Janice Rand on the original Star Trek TV series, has died.
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Originally Posted By: NHGUY
Shatner will be the last to pass.He's one tough cookie.
My money is on Takei...
Shatner will be the last to pass.He's one tough cookie.
My money is on Takei...
While Shatner, 84, is doing amazing for his age, Takei , 78, is 6 years his junior.
Time for Captain Sulu to have the spotlight.
Time for Captain Sulu to have the spotlight.
As old as these actors and actresses are it is hard for me to believe that I was watching Star Trek on TV when I was young. How time flies.
But I actually liked the second Star Trek series better. Usually the original is the best but I thought the second series was simply better.
But I liked shows like The Invaders and The X-Files better.
But I actually liked the second Star Trek series better. Usually the original is the best but I thought the second series was simply better.
But I liked shows like The Invaders and The X-Files better.
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Too close to call... But I expect Bill is an Immortal.
Self love must lead to longevity.
I preferred the original captain who was not a tool.
Too close to call... But I expect Bill is an Immortal.
Self love must lead to longevity.
I preferred the original captain who was not a tool.
Originally Posted By: UncleS2
Sad news for all Trekkies: Grace Lee Whitney, who played gorgeous Yeoman Janice Rand on the original Star Trek TV series, has died.
Hard to realize that she was in her mid-thirties when she was cast -- about the same age as Bill Shatner. In Hollywood, especially the Hollywood of those days, that's remarkable.
I have read about her personal problems leading to her being dropped from the show after, what, eight episodes? But it seemed the writers never did quite know what to do with her character, either. Not that I blame them -- they were creating something brand new for TV, and had no blueprint to follow. Still, she did the best anybody could have done with the scenes they gave her.
When I first became a Trek fan, I had never seen the early episodes, including those with Yeoman Rand. The character was featured in the early adaptations by SF writer James Blish. I pictured her looking like Lynda Day George, later of "Mission: Impossible": http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0313519/?ref_=nmbio_mbio If they'd cast her, she'd have been only about 22 in 1966.
Sad news for all Trekkies: Grace Lee Whitney, who played gorgeous Yeoman Janice Rand on the original Star Trek TV series, has died.
Hard to realize that she was in her mid-thirties when she was cast -- about the same age as Bill Shatner. In Hollywood, especially the Hollywood of those days, that's remarkable.
I have read about her personal problems leading to her being dropped from the show after, what, eight episodes? But it seemed the writers never did quite know what to do with her character, either. Not that I blame them -- they were creating something brand new for TV, and had no blueprint to follow. Still, she did the best anybody could have done with the scenes they gave her.
When I first became a Trek fan, I had never seen the early episodes, including those with Yeoman Rand. The character was featured in the early adaptations by SF writer James Blish. I pictured her looking like Lynda Day George, later of "Mission: Impossible": http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0313519/?ref_=nmbio_mbio If they'd cast her, she'd have been only about 22 in 1966.
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Too close to call... But I expect Bill is an Immortal.
Self love must lead to longevity.
I preferred the original captain who was not a tool.
It would have been very interesting to see how Jeffrey Hunter's Pike would have developed. If ever a character needed a bit more sense of humor, it was Pike; he seems rather grim and angry during most of the first pilot. (Shatner's Kirk seems rather cool and distant in the first episodes filmed, too -- but I prefer that Kirk to his later and lighter one. The early Kirk seems like a man you'd want to follow on a five-year mission into deep space.)
Originally Posted By: Trajan
Too close to call... But I expect Bill is an Immortal.
Self love must lead to longevity.
I preferred the original captain who was not a tool.
It would have been very interesting to see how Jeffrey Hunter's Pike would have developed. If ever a character needed a bit more sense of humor, it was Pike; he seems rather grim and angry during most of the first pilot. (Shatner's Kirk seems rather cool and distant in the first episodes filmed, too -- but I prefer that Kirk to his later and lighter one. The early Kirk seems like a man you'd want to follow on a five-year mission into deep space.)
Originally Posted By: Mystic
As old as these actors and actresses are it is hard for me to believe that I was watching Star Trek on TV when I was young. How time flies.
But I actually liked the second Star Trek series better. Usually the original is the best but I thought the second series was simply better.
But I liked shows like The Invaders and The X-Files better.
"Next Generation" really became the "Wagon Train to the Stars" that Gene Roddenberry had envisioned, especially after newer creative people began to helm the show. Roddenberry was a good idea man and producer, and a good re-writer, not so much an original writer. (See "Omega Glory" on the original series.) GR, for example, objected to the idea of the Borg, the terrifying alien collective; but the scripter and the line producer, I've read, stood firm, and we got some of the best SF TV ever done.
"Con permiso, Capitan. The hall is rented; the orchestra engaged. It's now time to see if you can dance."
( -- John de Lancie's omnipotent entity Q, as he leaves Picard and crew to find out what the Borg are like, in "Q Who?")
As old as these actors and actresses are it is hard for me to believe that I was watching Star Trek on TV when I was young. How time flies.
But I actually liked the second Star Trek series better. Usually the original is the best but I thought the second series was simply better.
But I liked shows like The Invaders and The X-Files better.
"Next Generation" really became the "Wagon Train to the Stars" that Gene Roddenberry had envisioned, especially after newer creative people began to helm the show. Roddenberry was a good idea man and producer, and a good re-writer, not so much an original writer. (See "Omega Glory" on the original series.) GR, for example, objected to the idea of the Borg, the terrifying alien collective; but the scripter and the line producer, I've read, stood firm, and we got some of the best SF TV ever done.
"Con permiso, Capitan. The hall is rented; the orchestra engaged. It's now time to see if you can dance."
( -- John de Lancie's omnipotent entity Q, as he leaves Picard and crew to find out what the Borg are like, in "Q Who?")
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
It would have been very interesting to see how Jeffrey Hunter's Pike would have developed. If ever a character needed a bit more sense of humor, it was Pike; he seems rather grim and angry during most of the first pilot. (Shatner's Kirk seems rather cool and distant in the first episodes filmed, too -- but I prefer that Kirk to his later and lighter one. The early Kirk seems like a man you'd want to follow on a five-year mission into deep space.)
I think that's the one change that would have given a character as good as Patrick Stewart's Jean Luc. Someone with real depth. Jeffrey Hunter was playing the part that was written. I think it would have been more interesting to have a more complex character who struggled with demons. It's not a comedy.
True Star Trek fans clapped when Kirk finally bit it. I don't know if you were in a theater to experience that.
It would have been very interesting to see how Jeffrey Hunter's Pike would have developed. If ever a character needed a bit more sense of humor, it was Pike; he seems rather grim and angry during most of the first pilot. (Shatner's Kirk seems rather cool and distant in the first episodes filmed, too -- but I prefer that Kirk to his later and lighter one. The early Kirk seems like a man you'd want to follow on a five-year mission into deep space.)
I think that's the one change that would have given a character as good as Patrick Stewart's Jean Luc. Someone with real depth. Jeffrey Hunter was playing the part that was written. I think it would have been more interesting to have a more complex character who struggled with demons. It's not a comedy.
True Star Trek fans clapped when Kirk finally bit it. I don't know if you were in a theater to experience that.
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
GR, for example, objected to the idea of the Borg, the terrifying alien collective; but the scripter and the line producer, I've read, stood firm, and we got some of the best SF TV ever done.
"Con permiso, Capitan. The hall is rented; the orchestra engaged. It's now time to see if you can dance."
( -- John de Lancie's omnipotent entity Q, as he leaves Picard and crew to find out what the Borg are like, in "Q Who?")
I couldn't disagree more. If you want to see that kind of stuff watch Star Wars. Not the same thing at all. Star Wars is an action flick with no depth of thought whatsoever.
Star Trek was a thinking person's show.
GR, for example, objected to the idea of the Borg, the terrifying alien collective; but the scripter and the line producer, I've read, stood firm, and we got some of the best SF TV ever done.
"Con permiso, Capitan. The hall is rented; the orchestra engaged. It's now time to see if you can dance."
( -- John de Lancie's omnipotent entity Q, as he leaves Picard and crew to find out what the Borg are like, in "Q Who?")
I couldn't disagree more. If you want to see that kind of stuff watch Star Wars. Not the same thing at all. Star Wars is an action flick with no depth of thought whatsoever.
Star Trek was a thinking person's show.
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
It would have been very interesting to see how Jeffrey Hunter's Pike would have developed. If ever a character needed a bit more sense of humor, it was Pike; he seems rather grim and angry during most of the first pilot. (Shatner's Kirk seems rather cool and distant in the first episodes filmed, too -- but I prefer that Kirk to his later and lighter one. The early Kirk seems like a man you'd want to follow on a five-year mission into deep space.)
I think that's the one change that would have given a character as good as Patrick Stewart's Jean Luc. Someone with real depth. Jeffrey Hunter was playing the part that was written. I think it would have been more interesting to have a more complex character who struggled with demons. It's not a comedy.
True Star Trek fans clapped when Kirk finally bit it. I don't know if you were in a theater to experience that.
I did not care for Kirk. Spock was my favorite in the original series.
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
It would have been very interesting to see how Jeffrey Hunter's Pike would have developed. If ever a character needed a bit more sense of humor, it was Pike; he seems rather grim and angry during most of the first pilot. (Shatner's Kirk seems rather cool and distant in the first episodes filmed, too -- but I prefer that Kirk to his later and lighter one. The early Kirk seems like a man you'd want to follow on a five-year mission into deep space.)
I think that's the one change that would have given a character as good as Patrick Stewart's Jean Luc. Someone with real depth. Jeffrey Hunter was playing the part that was written. I think it would have been more interesting to have a more complex character who struggled with demons. It's not a comedy.
True Star Trek fans clapped when Kirk finally bit it. I don't know if you were in a theater to experience that.
I did not care for Kirk. Spock was my favorite in the original series.
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
GR, for example, objected to the idea of the Borg, the terrifying alien collective; but the scripter and the line producer, I've read, stood firm, and we got some of the best SF TV ever done.
"Con permiso, Capitan. The hall is rented; the orchestra engaged. It's now time to see if you can dance."
( -- John de Lancie's omnipotent entity Q, as he leaves Picard and crew to find out what the Borg are like, in "Q Who?")
I couldn't disagree more. If you want to see that kind of stuff watch Star Wars. Not the same thing at all. Star Wars is an action flick with no depth of thought whatsoever.
Star Trek was a thinking person's show.
Exactly -- and "Q Who?" was creepy and mind-bending. It was not about action (as Picard's Enterprise was completely outmatched by a single Borg ship), but about the wonders and terrors humans will find in space.
Q: "You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you've encountered so far -- the Romulans, the Klingons. They're nothing compared to what's waiting. Picard, you are about to move into areas of the galaxy containing wonders more incredible than you can possibly imagine -- and terrors to freeze your soul."
Not a speech you'd hear in a Star Wars story. This is the sort of dialogue -- and sense of wonder -- we got in "Star Trek" at its best.
Originally Posted By: Benzadmiral
GR, for example, objected to the idea of the Borg, the terrifying alien collective; but the scripter and the line producer, I've read, stood firm, and we got some of the best SF TV ever done.
"Con permiso, Capitan. The hall is rented; the orchestra engaged. It's now time to see if you can dance."
( -- John de Lancie's omnipotent entity Q, as he leaves Picard and crew to find out what the Borg are like, in "Q Who?")
I couldn't disagree more. If you want to see that kind of stuff watch Star Wars. Not the same thing at all. Star Wars is an action flick with no depth of thought whatsoever.
Star Trek was a thinking person's show.
Exactly -- and "Q Who?" was creepy and mind-bending. It was not about action (as Picard's Enterprise was completely outmatched by a single Borg ship), but about the wonders and terrors humans will find in space.
Q: "You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you've encountered so far -- the Romulans, the Klingons. They're nothing compared to what's waiting. Picard, you are about to move into areas of the galaxy containing wonders more incredible than you can possibly imagine -- and terrors to freeze your soul."
Not a speech you'd hear in a Star Wars story. This is the sort of dialogue -- and sense of wonder -- we got in "Star Trek" at its best.
Bring back the beehive hairdos!
No YN and no one gets paid on the ship.
Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Star Trek was a thinking person's show.
Correct. I saw a backstory on TNG. Nex-Gen star Brent Spiner (Data) said in the interview the Nex-Gen producers wanted to intellectually challenge the viewers, and even if they could not fully keep up with some of the interstellar concepts, it was OK.
By far, Nex-Gen was my all time favorite. "To the wall, Mr. LaForge!"
Star Trek was a thinking person's show.
Correct. I saw a backstory on TNG. Nex-Gen star Brent Spiner (Data) said in the interview the Nex-Gen producers wanted to intellectually challenge the viewers, and even if they could not fully keep up with some of the interstellar concepts, it was OK.
By far, Nex-Gen was my all time favorite. "To the wall, Mr. LaForge!"
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