Wynn's Multivehicle Synthetic???

[kazual]

Has anyone tried using Wynns multivehicle synthetic? there is a 7 year/210,000 warranty on the ATF. It seems to be "like" Amsoil.

http://www.wynnsusa.com/transmission.aspx

http://www.wynnsusa.com/pdf/Multi-Vehicle_ATF_Sell_Sheet.pdf

 

[Pablo]

Is there a real specification sheet?

Amsoil ATF is NOT recommended for Allison C-4 (TES 228) and TES-295 Fluids, Toyota WS, MB MB 0019892/10310, and some of the others they list.

Why do you say "like" Amsoil?

 

[kazual]

I said like because it covers a broad spectrum of applications. I don't know about a real spec sheet.

 

[Pablo]

OH Ok - yeah I couldn't find a spec sheet for it, but I'm sometimes lousy searching for stuff like that. I was kinda wondering what the base oil composition is.

 

[kazual]

Correction, it is a 150,000 mile warranty.

http://www.wynnsusa.com/pdf/12711_SynMultiATFSpecs.pdf

PABLO, here you go.

http://www.wynnsusa.com/pdf/a5101, a5102, a5103, a5107, a5108.pdf

 

[kazual]

That is all I can find. the color of the ATF fluid is green!?!?!

 

[Whitewolf]

Well I suppose that I do see a similarity with Amsoil in that both products are unlicensed 'mistery meat' formulations that do not appear to have formal OEM approvals to substantiate the claims regarding performance.

 

[SWHeat]

Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Well I suppose that I do see a similarity with Amsoil in that both products are unlicensed 'mistery meat' formulations that do not appear to have formal OEM approvals to substantiate the claims regarding performance.


We all understand your position and your rigid paradigm of what makes a true ATF.

I appreciate your expertise and your willingness to share that which is not proprietary. However, I find your relentless bombardment against certain boutique oils T-E-D-I-O-U-S to say the least.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Well I suppose that I do see a similarity with Amsoil in that both products are unlicensed 'mistery meat' formulations that do not appear to have formal OEM approvals to substantiate the claims regarding performance.


At least spell mystery correctly if you are going to insult something. As for your baseless allegations about performance, we are still waiting for actual proof from YOU that Amsoil ATF and ATD will not throughly outperform your licensed product in real application on the road in the vehicles you sell.

 

[Big Jim]

I don't know about you but how can you expect anything but snake oil from a snake oil company. If they are trying to become legit, they need to dump their other snake oil products.

 

[Whitewolf]

I'm with you on that one. However, I do have to say that I would be pleased to see them go 'legit'. If that were the case then I would purchase their products.

 

[bdcardinal]

we use just their flush kits at my work. we use all motorcraft or mazda fluids for actual fills for warranty purposes.

 

[Whitewolf]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
At least spell mystery correctly if you are going to insult something. As for your baseless allegations about performance, we are still waiting for actual proof from YOU that Amsoil ATF and ATD will not throughly outperform your licensed product in real application on the road in the vehicles you sell.


Actually, I think you missed the point, mistery is a 'double-entendre', take a look to see what mist means. You will be particularly interested in the German ~ I think we know some people on this board who will understand and be able to help you with that. With hindsight, that probably was a little too subtle!

To your second point, I don't think I have to 'prove' anything since I'm not the one making the claims. It's down to the people making the claims to prove that those claims are substantiated, not the opposite way round.

To your third point, for your information, I don't sell vehicles.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Originally Posted By: Pablo
At least spell mystery correctly if you are going to insult something. As for your baseless allegations about performance, we are still waiting for actual proof from YOU that Amsoil ATF and ATD will not throughly outperform your licensed product in real application on the road in the vehicles you sell.


Actually, I think you missed the point, mistery is a 'double-entendre', take a look to see what mist means. You will be particularly interested in the German ~ I think we know some people on this board who will understand and be able to help you with that. With hindsight, that probably was a little too subtle!

To your second point, I don't think I have to 'prove' anything since I'm not the one making the claims. It's down to the people making the claims to prove that those claims are substantiated, not the opposite way round.

To your third point, for your information, I don't sell vehicles.


OK got it: Mist

Actually you do make claims. Yours is the typical comeback, sure if I was talking up Amsoil ATF, then I better back my claims. But you are making negative claims which require proof. If you are going to say something bad about a product or even claim that licensed is ALWAYS better than Amsoil ATF, then you need to show the meat.

You do work for GM, correct?

 

[Whitewolf]

Here's MY POINT OF VIEW:

Any product which is licensed [be it from Ford, Chrysler, GM or any other manufacturer] by definition has demonstrated proof of performance in order to obtain that license.

Any product that is not OEM approved and does not have any published data to support claims of proof of performance ~ however good or bad it might be ~ lacks any guarantee.

All I'm saying is that if I were looking for a lube for my transmission, then I wouldn't necessarily believe claims from manufacturers of unlicensed products. End of story.

 

[unDummy]

Yep, we should also consider theat the OE license could also be pretty pathetic too. Which manufacturer do you want to believe in? the fluid manufacturer? or the vehicle manufacturer?

This looks like another universal/multivehicle ATF. Since they sell flush machines, having a fluid that can be used almost anywhere adds to the sales pitch.

I have NO problem with univeral or multivehicle fluids. I've never seen a failure caused by them. Whether they are equal, better, or worse is for you to decide.

 

[WishIhadatruck]

Originally Posted By: unDummy
Which manufacturer do you want to believe in? the fluid manufacturer? or the vehicle manufacturer?


That sums it up right there. I have GM Vehicle Care Dex VI in one of my vehicles and plan to put it in my other vehicle. I don't necessarily trust GM anymore than I trust Amsoil. I've never bought an Amsoil product so I've never been burned by one of their products or services. I can't say the same for GM. I'm sure the gaskets in my 3.8L V6 were GM approved when the factory installed them but they just failed and had to be replaced. I don't have a problem with people being informed that some multi-vehicle fluids are not licensed but these arguments get tiring eventually. I'll probably keep buying GM cars, or anyone elses as well, but they certainly aren't perfect as we all know.

 

[kazual]

GEEZ!!!!! YOU GUYS LIKE TO FIGHT. ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THERE ARE MANY COMPANIES PRODUCING MULTIVEHICLE ATF.

I have been using various products in my 2005 Toyota RAV 4 with no issues. I have made mixes using Amalie, Castrol Import, Toyota T-IV, Mobil 3309 and am going to do a transmission line flush next time adding Super Tech Dextron VI into my experiment. So far, the transmission still shifts like it is supposed to. I am hoping to flush about 75% of the fluid using Amalie, Super Tech and Toyota T-IV. I will let you all know the results.

 

[Whitewolf]

I don't think I would say that it's a fight, rather just that there are different points of view being expressed and there is nothing wrong with that.
I suppose what the discussion comes down to is whether you believe that it's a more reliable option to let people police themselves or whether it is better for someone else to do the policing?

 

[buster]

Don't companies like Amsoil already buy additive packages etc. that were already approved or showed some proof of performance via the additive supplier? From there, Amsoil then improves/changes the formula based on how they want it?

I do agree with Whitewolf 100%, but will ONLY make one exception for after market fluids and that would be Amsoil. I believe they, more than any other blender, put quality as the top priority. They also have a lot of experience.

When Amsoil publishes their Whiteapapers, you can see how some/many of the other brands are below average in quality. In Amsoil's gear test, Mobil 1 was the only other decent fluid it seemed.