WWII Willys Jeep winter oil recommendations

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A friend of mine owns a WWII Willys MB Jeep with what he calls "the Go Devil 134L" engine. He has owned it for years and it has always exhibited poor cold starting ability. Sometimes he just can not get it to start at all, usually in colder temps closer to zero Fahrenheit.

Recently some research he did suggested that the oil he is using may be too thick for cold weather use. I would have to concur. He has always run straight 30 weight, non-detergent oil, as he thought that was the original formula for the vehicle and the best for it.

I don't know much about engines that old, but it's an internal combustion engine like a modern one, so I can't see any reason why he can't run GC or something thinner that I use in my own vehicles. We live in Vermont and he wants to be able to drive the vehicle occasionally in typical winter temps up here (coldest perhaps -30F, average perhaps 15 to 25F).

Any comments or insight into possible thinner choices for this vehicle?
 
If he's been running non-detergent and switches to a modern oil... There's going to be a LOT of stuff being put into the oil as it gets cleaned off. Does this vehicle run an oil filter? If so, he's going to have to change it VERY frequently for the first little bit......
 
Thanks for the reply. The owner and the vehicle are actually here right now so I am able to discuss this with him and he really appreciates the assistance.

The engine has a stock "oil bath" type filter but it is currently bypassed due to a missing part or two. There is no filter currently in place.

Yes, it has been running straight 30W, non-detergent, for the life of the vehicle as far as he knows. He has had it for about seven years, and the previous owner ran the same oil as well for a long time.
 
Originally Posted By: methusaleh
Thanks for the reply. The owner and the vehicle are actually here right now so I am able to discuss this with him and he really appreciates the assistance.

The engine has a stock "oil bath" type filter but it is currently bypassed due to a missing part or two. There is no filter currently in place.

Yes, it has been running straight 30W, non-detergent, for the life of the vehicle as far as he knows. He has had it for about seven years, and the previous owner ran the same oil as well for a long time.


Your friend isn't talking about the 'oil bath' air filter is he??? Whole different ani-mule than the engine oil filter...
 
Thanks so much folks! This vehicle is this man's pride and joy and he is very thankful that I thought to post his questions to BITOG and get expert answers.

The vehicle does indeed have an oil bath air filter, which I just saw with my own eyes, which is working fine.

He does have the parts necessary to hook up the oil filter, which I guess is technically a cartridge-style (pleated cylinder filtration media that sits in a metal housing through which oil flows), however the parts are still sitting in another state where the Jeep used to be kept until this weekend. He says the oil filter will be properly hooked up and working as soon as he does the next oil change, probably next weekend.
 
Excellent. Make sure he gets a pile of cartridges if he's changing oils. Also, I'd recommend Mobil 1 0w40 for it.
 
Thanks OVERK1LL! I have advised him of your recommendation and he appreciates it.

By the way here is the gentleman and vehicle in question:

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Nice M1 Garand...

I would use rotella 5w-40 but you would need to do a couple really short OCIs with 20% MMO to make sure that nothing is getting clogged up.
 
Interesting, thanks for the opinions.

Would that weight of Rotella crank reliably at temps well below zero (Fahrenheit)?
 
Originally Posted By: methusaleh

Would that weight of Rotella crank reliably at temps well below zero (Fahrenheit)?


Yes.

I know my good friend OVERKILL will be upset I stated what I stated, but there's plenty of people who experience leaks and drips using synthetic oil in old engines. Rotella might even do it, but it's pretty thick and group III instead of PAO.
 
Yes I have heard the leak rumors, but was never certain if it could be blamed on the choice of synth. I will need to spend more time looking into it before he makes the choice.

Thanks a lot for your input!
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
.... I'd recommend Mobil 1 0w40 for it.


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I assume it is a 4 cylinder?

I suggest 10W-40 conventional or 15w40 Diesel oil. Maybe switch to 5W-40 Rotella after then engine is clean. But all it really needs is the 15w40 diesel oil and a lot of filters to catch all the crud that will come from the detergent oil. If it is hard to start, he should check the size of the battery cable to the starter and the CC Amps of battery. Another thing is to just use starting fluid when it is cold. It works like magic. Just open the hood and spray into the air filter opening, then start.
 
Originally Posted By: methusaleh

By the way here is the gentleman and vehicle in question:

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Awesome rig!!!

But his uniform doesn't match. He has a generals belly, with private stripes.
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if it is real cold temps, then run 10w30 Rotella or Mystik....that would be the best in my humble opinion..

then maybe a 10w40 HDEO in the warmer months. (not sure if 15w40 is warranted since new england is not a "hot" place?)
 
Originally Posted By: methusaleh
A friend of mine owns a WWII Willys MB Jeep with what he calls "the Go Devil 134L" engine. He has owned it for years and it has always exhibited poor cold starting ability. Sometimes he just can not get it to start at all, usually in colder temps closer to zero Fahrenheit.

Recently some research he did suggested that the oil he is using may be too thick for cold weather use. I would have to concur. He has always run straight 30 weight, non-detergent oil, as he thought that was the original formula for the vehicle and the best for it.

I don't know much about engines that old, but it's an internal combustion engine like a modern one, so I can't see any reason why he can't run GC or something thinner that I use in my own vehicles. We live in Vermont and he wants to be able to drive the vehicle occasionally in typical winter temps up here (coldest perhaps -30F, average perhaps 15 to 25F).

Any comments or insight into possible thinner choices for this vehicle?


To help with the starting issue, what kind of Choke is on that engine? Is it a hand choke? If the starter is turning the engine over, the cold start issue could be all choke related. More info is needed.

Nice Jeep BTW!
 
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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
.... I'd recommend Mobil 1 0w40 for it.


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A WWII Willy's and a 2009 BMW have a lot in common
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I assume it is a 4 cylinder?

I suggest 10W-40 conventional or 15w40 Diesel oil. Maybe switch to 5W-40 Rotella after then engine is clean. But all it really needs is the 15w40 diesel oil and a lot of filters to catch all the crud that will come from the detergent oil. If it is hard to start, he should check the size of the battery cable to the starter and the CC Amps of battery. Another thing is to just use starting fluid when it is cold. It works like magic. Just open the hood and spray into the air filter opening, then start.







HA HA HA.

Comical. I'm sorry, how many 1930's, 40's and 50's engines do you have experience with? We've owned about 50 or so..... And this engine has a lot in common with a diesel too right? Yeah, that makes your suggestion MUCH more valid...... Just because you don't agree with my suggestion doesn't make a sarcastic stab at me any more acceptable.

I've run Mobil 1 5w30 in a 425HP 312 Interceptor, as well as a HOST of other oils in engines ranging from a 1945 Chris-Craft I6, Gray I4, 9N tractor, Chris-Craft I4, Chrysler I6...etc.

We never had any issues. For the longest time my grandfather ran (similar to this gentleman) non-detergent oils in most of these things. Switching to just a multi-grade conventional yielded some pretty filthy oil in a VERY short period of time. VERY SHORT. Many of these engines had no filters, and so it was run it, dump the sump, and re-fill. Run it, and repeat. Until the oil was clean. He used to buy skids of whatever was on sale (one year it was Castrol GTX, the next it was Valvoline sort of thing) and it would typically last us a summer or two in the boats.

Mobil 1 0w40 is also diesel rated (not that this is necessary, but it has a lot of zinc, which I'm sure would be beneficial). It will also likely do the most cleaning. It is also closer in weight to the 30wt that he HAS been running since he acquired the vehicle. It will also have superior cold performance if that is in fact his issue. The ONLY issue he is likely to encounter is some VERY dirty filters in VERY short order and that will be the case with ANY good oil, including 15w40, 5w40 or the 0w40.

I would normally suggest Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5w40/Mobil Delvac 1 5w40, but since the thing is already being run on a 30wt and I am unsure as to how going up a grade into a SOLID 40w territory is going to affect this engine (and neither do you) if it has never been run on it before. Since we KNOW Mobil 1 0w40 is a LIGHT 40w, and much closer to a 30W oil than the other 40's being mentioned, AND he wants superior winter performance (which it will provide with it's -54C pour point) I see it as being a logical choice.

BUT

Drew made a good point about it causing potential leaks. And this very well may be the case. I think the only thing I can add to that is that if that is going to happen, it is probably going to happen with ANY modern oil that gets put in the sump. I know that the gunk accrued in some of our old monsters was rather startling. The detergents in pretty much any modern oil are going to start breaking this up and that is why cycling the filters frequently until it clears up is going to be necessary.

On another point: Ether is very hard on an engine. I would NEVER recommend starter fluid to ANYBODY.
 
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