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Originally posted by JHZR2:
regarding efficiency, it is my understanding that if we didnt have all the emissions stuff (but I guess the electronic controls are a good thing) power output and efficiency COULD be much higher.
I wasnt around at the time, but when emissions regulations started showing up, didnt big V8s which used to be making 2-300 HP easily end up rated at ~160, and mileage drop significantly as well?
JMH
well, that doesn't explain how the smaller and more efficient v6 engines can now do 300+ HP and still meet all the emissions?
It's not the emission changs per se that killed power and such, it was the design. Most domestics had to come up with compliant engines very, very fast and the only way was to bandaid existing designs. Lower the compression, add PCV, EGR, catalytics, etc.
Coupled with the concurrent explosive demand for fuel efficient cars, the domestics (GM being the largest) found themselves with too many large, easy to make v8s that had more power than people now wanted, and had traded efficiency for power for decades.
All of a sudden the market shifted. We wanted fuel efficient cars, GM didn't have any. Even their 4 cylinder engines were from the old school of thought. Sloppy, loose, power focused. The EPA stuff was just conicidence but got Big 3's attention. GM, Ford and Chrysler had to fix what they had and didn't see or think that smaller engines were a longterm reality. So they put all their resources into bandaids and meeting the immediate EPA requirements instead of ground-up design of smaller engines.
oops! guessed wrong there....
When they did design a new engine from the get-go to be efficient on all accounts, they did much better. But the Japanese had been doing it for many years and had quite a headstart.