Woman pushed onto tracks survives

[Wolf359]

Lots of crazy people out there.

I rarely take the train but when I do, I normally stay a few feet back from the edge but watching the video, it looks like she's at least 6 feet or more from the edge which I used to think was a somewhat safe distance, but I guess you do stumble a bit before you actually fall and I guess the harder you get shoved, the further you will go. Guess I will stay even further back these days. Too bad these are some of the things you have to think about these days. I think there was another woman who was recently killed the same way.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/17/bruss...-near-tragedy-as-woman-is-pushed-onto-tracks/

 

[Kuato]

Holy smokes.

I hope that piece of excrement gets what he deserves.

 

[JavierH19]

I hope that subhuman gets twelve gauged to the dome.

 

[K.Aoi]

To take a different point of view, something I actually want to make a thread on, is that a lot of these people have untreated severe mental illness. Many are homeless or unable to afford the care they need, and many are too sick to even understand they are sick, and thus don't take medication or seek treatment. This isn't the old days, no more State Mental Hospitals. Many of these people would have been caught in the system and sent to one of those for treatment. Some need to be kept permanently there. We blame the person performing the act, and its entirely possible it was a deliberate thought by a lucid, logically-thinking person. But they could also have severe schizophrenia, maybe they're too sick to even understand the need to take medication. I'm not defending this guy, but I think we should all take a step back and think about that many of these crimes would never be performed if we had proper care, inpatient and otherwise, for mental illness in the world. I just finished listening to an audiobook by E Fulley Torey called American Psychosis that goes into great depth on the topic so its fresh in my mind.

I understand that this happened in Belgium, but this also happens in cities in the US from time to time.

 

[4WD]

They have one of the most generous healthcare systems in Europe …

 

[K.Aoi]

They have one of the most generous healthcare systems in Europe …

Doesn't mean they have enough inpatient care beds for mental illness either. Most countries de-institutionalized after the US did, meaning a lot of people who should be monitored 24/7 in a medical setting end up back outside. As I said, this stuff happens not infrequently in the US. There was literally an example of this I was reading about over the weekend I think from NYC. I'm not saying that is what happened here, but what I am saying is maybe we shouldn't be so quick to make assumptions.

 

[4WD]

Doesn't mean they have enough inpatient care beds for mental illness either. Most countries de-institutionalized after the US did, meaning a lot of people who should be monitored 24/7 in a medical setting end up back outside. As I said, this stuff happens not infrequently in the US. There was literally an example of this I was reading about over the weekend I think from NYC. I'm not saying that is what happened here, but what I am saying is maybe we shouldn't be so quick to make assumptions.

You got a plan ?

 

[K.Aoi]

You got a plan ?

yeah give me an unlimited budget and I'll get a group of the best psychiatrists, psychologists, neurologists, to help come up with what they think is a good care system. It would most probably include improvements in detecting early warning signs of mental illness and getting them treatment early in regular clinical care, like with a PCP. Then, I'm sure there'll be long-term care for those who even with medication are a danger to themselves or others, and will remain in a facility much like the old asylums. Only today with better care, less experimentation, and more accountability. In the past this would be home to for example, for people who were found not guilty by reason of insanity/not fit to stand trial.

And then there'll be short-intermediate inpatient care. For people who need more than an ER visit, and less than years in care. Maybe a few months to get their situation under control, get started on medication and maybe help with training skills they can use to get a job, if they need one. Right now correctional facilities are serving both of the latter tiers of care in the US.

Like I said this topic really deserves its own thread.

 

[K.Aoi]

So true. Lots of people around the country like to throw Sh*! at San Francisco and their homeless problem. Wll I can tell you 50% of them have a drug addiction and 50% of them have a mental condition and it isn't that hard to tell the two apart. Only a very small percentage are down on your luck types. These people are not going anywhere and why would they leave a mild climate like we have for a worse situation on the streets. This problem of mental cases being on the streets started way back in the 60s when California closed the state mental hospitals and tried out board and care facilities which became a depressing failure.

There is a reason that the homeless population so dramatically soared during the emptying of state hospitals in the latter half of the 20th as you mentioned. Most of those people need help, either drug or mental illness, and its just not available. De-institutionalization was well intentioned, but as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. There were fatal flaws in how it was structured and created financial incentives for the states to dump these patients on the street. As I saidthough, the topic really deserves its own thread lol

 

[billt460]

There are so many situations that can be well served by a double tap of 9MM. This is certainly one of them.

 

[M56959]

Beyond the purview of BITOG.

Also using symbols instead of letters in profanity is still profanity.

I'm confident everyone here can make their point without swearing.

Its part of the rules we all agreed to follow.