WIX/NAPA--MADE IN INDIA!

[Big O Dave]

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Originally posted by Filter guy:
FWIW..Wix sourced filters from Brazil for the NAPA Silver line back when..not sure if India is the new Brazil..

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...and I thought Brazil was the new India! What do I know.

Isn't 30 the new 20, and 40 the new 30? That's what the hair loss commercial says.

Maybe there's a manufacturing base loss commercial out there somewhere...

India, Brazil, Pakistan, Korea, China... they're the new USA!

 

[bmwtechguy]

I bought a purolator oil filter for my BIL's 04 diesel Beetle last weekend for an oil change (dealer was closed) and this cartridge filter clearly had made in India on the endcap. Construction did not look too bad, but hard to tell if any good by just looking at it.

 

[Gurkha]

Let me ask a rhetorical question here, if the filter was made in any of the east Europe countries, would this be an issue?

India provides huge amount of mental labor in form of software professionals, doctors and researchers to US and other parts of world as well, guess that should be a real scary thought for some. Also major software is outsourced from India, don't think thats a good trend either as they may be of inferior quality like the Wix filters which are made in India as well.

 

[Lazy JW]

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Originally posted by Gurkha:
[QB] Royal Enfield is a leaking iron horse, poor example of British and now Indian design, badly manufactured, it will give you nothing but trouble with a capital T...

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Yup, they copied it PERFECTLY

One fellow here in the States is importing the Listers. He has found an incredible range of quality control, ranging from barely acceptable to truly horrifying. He buys them, disassembles them, cleans the sand out and basicly does a rebuild before startup and gets quite good service from them.

My point being that if you truly WANT one it is available no where else. The Chinese diesels are pretty good but are a different design entirely.
Joe

 

[outrun]

The real question is quality.

Are the Indian units using cheap epoxies and filtration media?

More so, are these units using CARDBOARD ENDCAPS?

While India and China are rising industrial giants, quality is still a sticking point. My hope is that India can edge out China on quality

 

[Gurkha]

The Listers go for US$600 so not truly state of the art.

 

[FleetFilter.com]

Even if a company uses other countries products, they still have to meet there specs. They might meet OEM specs barely, but they still meet them.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

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Originally posted by MADMIKE:
Topic: WIX/NAPA--MADE IN INDIA!

Cut open a NAPA Proselect (# 21394) last night and was more than a bit surprised so see that the metal end caps had clearly printed on them "Made in India".

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Mike needs to check the clothes on his back, his automobile parts, the furniture in his house, some of his tools.... food... you name it! Hard to find USA-Only labels anymore.

Ever wonder why the Proselects are so cheap? You should of titled this thread...
Topic: WIX/NAPA "PROSELECTS"--MADE IN INDIA!

 

[MADMIKE]

The box should say made in Gastonia, North Carolina "OF FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC PARTS". (Never thought the few "parts" of something as simple as an oil filter would have different countries of origin)

 

[FleetFilter.com]

The box is probably made in the USA

 

[Filter guy]

It's not the box that counts...

It is against federal law to misrepresent "origin of manufacture".

In other words Wix ( or any filter company ) can't import a complete filter and use a "made in Gastonia/USA" box.

Which is why so many filters have the Made in ( insert country) on the packaging.

However, if one uses components the rules are different. There is no "content" law like for automobiles that state X % is made ( insert foreign country). At least not to my knowledge about filters.

So Wix is doing nothing illegal by not noting for consumers that the element came from India.


They could however change their packaging to "assembled" in Gastonia...and that would keep you guessing which parts are not American made..

 

[FleetFilter.com]

Good point

 

[Gary Allan]

Bottom line is that the Wix name stands for something and they aren't going to enter or maintain an ongoing relationship with an outfit that can't produce quality products. The difference between a cheap filter and an expensive one is how much advertising the they put into the label.

 

[FleetFilter.com]

Wix has manufacturing facilities in North Carolina, Poland, and Argentina/Brazil. The Brazilian and Poland filters do not find their way into the USA.

I pulled a ProSelect filter (NapaSilver) and nowhere on there does it say "Made in the USA". I also pulled a regular Wix filter (NapaGold), and it does say "Made in the USA". That tells me that there is a good chance that Wix has aligned themselves with a foreign company for construction of their ProSelect filters. Hence the cheaper design.

Fleetguard, Wix, Donaldson, and Baldwin all buy filters from each other and box them as their own. They do this because (1) it costs to much to manufacture that filter, or (2) there's a patent on that filter that prevents them from making their own version, or (3) they're just low on supply. Regardless, since all these guys buy from each other, they all have respect for each other's product (note Fram is not included).

If all of these companies make a high-quality filter that meets or exceeds OEM specs, than why not shop price as long as you stick to the best filters made by the best manufacturers?

Brian Schneider

 

[Filter guy]

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Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Bottom line is that the Wix name stands for something and they aren't going to enter or maintain an ongoing relationship with an outfit that can't produce quality products. The difference between a cheap filter and an expensive one is how much advertising the they put into the label.

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One would hope so..but..

When I was at Champ we disqualified at least 2 non-American suppliers.

The product shipped into the country was not up to the "specs" provided. It became a consistent problem with a few containers so, the supplier was axed.

It is one thing to send lab quality elements around the world and quite another to get production line quality stuff in house.


So depending upon internal inspection and lab testing of incoming product..a filter company can find problems.

The question begs..what to do after you do? Eat the shipment or use it.

At Champ they were cut open and sent out for scrap to the recyclers.

 

[Filter guy]

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Originally posted by FleetFilter.com:
Wix has manufacturing facilities in North Carolina, Poland, and Argentina/Brazil. The Brazilian and Poland filters do not find their way into the USA.

I pulled a ProSelect filter (NapaSilver) and nowhere on there does it say "Made in the USA". I also pulled a regular Wix filter (NapaGold), and it does say "Made in the USA". That tells me that there is a good chance that Wix has aligned themselves with a foreign company for construction of their ProSelect filters. Hence the cheaper design.

Fleetguard, Wix, Donaldson, and Baldwin all buy filters from each other and box them as their own. They do this because (1) it costs to much to manufacture that filter, or (2) there's a patent on that filter that prevents them from making their own version, or (3) they're just low on supply. Regardless, since all these guys buy from each other, they all have respect for each other's product (note Fram is not included).

If all of these companies make a high-quality filter that meets or exceeds OEM specs, than why not shop price as long as you stick to the best filters made by the best manufacturers?

Brian Schneider

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Brian..as two of the 4 filter companies listed were my accounts ( along with Fram

) at one point--someone else had Wix and Fleetguard...

There is another reason why filter companies source from each other.

Say Toyota comes out with a new filter construction for a 2008 engine. All the filter companies will know the new OEM part number.

The first filter company to "tool up" for the new filter will generally get orders from their competitors. Until such time as volume dictates one can justify their own tooling to make the product themselves.

Low supply is generally not a reason btw to buy from someone else. Because the construction is different from company to company..you don't want to switch back and forth and have to explain why your filter is longer/shorter, different looking gasket, etc..

You may opt to buy from someone else to free up production time on a low volume part number. In which case you don't expect the volume to raise again to justify switching back so you can get by with a construction difference because then it becomes the norm.

 

[Gary Allan]

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quote:Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Bottom line is that the Wix name stands for something and they aren't going to enter or maintain an ongoing relationship with an outfit that can't produce quality products. The difference between a cheap filter and an expensive one is how much advertising the they put into the label.

One would hope so..but..

When I was at Champ we disqualified at least 2 non-American suppliers.

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Exactly. Champ (or Wix, Puro - don't know if you can cheapen a Fram

) did not maintain a relationship with a manufacturer that produced substandard product. They've got too much to lose.

 

[edwardh1]

The Brits do not make computers or watches cause they have not figured out how to get them to leak oil.