Wix False Avertising ???
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I usually take a glance at my filters before I pay the man.
Since this is clearly very important to you, maybe that should be your approach too.
Specifications for any product are always subject to change.
Just take the Wix filters back and head down to NAPA for some replacements.
However, with your coupons, I think I would just keep them.
Since this is clearly very important to you, maybe that should be your approach too.
Specifications for any product are always subject to change.
Just take the Wix filters back and head down to NAPA for some replacements.
However, with your coupons, I think I would just keep them.
Originally Posted By: hatt
Wix makes no claims of ADBV material on the website. Specs matter more than stock photos. Every website is going to state somewhere that photos may not be representative of actual product. It would be a monumental undertaking to change every image every time there was a slight design change.
WRONG...
Quote from Wix:
Brand Information
During more than 70 years of innovation, including 1954 when we patented the first spin-on oil filter, WIX Filters has been at the forefront of oil filter technology and performance for passenger cars, light trucks, heavy trucks and buses, and off-highway vehicles. SAE J806 tests prove that WIX oil filters hold 45% more dirt than the leading national brand - meaning we keep filtering long after the competition has completely quit.
Some of the advantages of a WIX oil filter are:
Arch-pleated, Prescription-blended Filter Media - provides a more than adequate filter area. The element has a controlled porosity blended media to assure complete filtration of the oil.
Spiral-wound Center Tube - provides internal element support. The spiral design greatly reduces initial flow restriction when compared to other designs.
Coiled Spring - ensures a constant load on the inner element to maintain the seal between the upper element end cap, the inner element support, and the mounting plate even during pressure surge situations.
Filter Canister - encloses the assembly with a mechanically-locked double seam. The canister provides "flutes" at the closed end for ease of removal with an oil filter wrench.
Silicone Anti-Drainback Valve - Stays flexible in extreme temperatures, improves oil flow and keeps oil in filter to prevent engine destroying dry starts. Also provides lasting protection to meet new vehicle manufacturers longer recommended oil change schedules. Nitrile valves can harden and become ineffective over time.
Wix makes no claims of ADBV material on the website. Specs matter more than stock photos. Every website is going to state somewhere that photos may not be representative of actual product. It would be a monumental undertaking to change every image every time there was a slight design change.
WRONG...
Quote from Wix:
Brand Information
During more than 70 years of innovation, including 1954 when we patented the first spin-on oil filter, WIX Filters has been at the forefront of oil filter technology and performance for passenger cars, light trucks, heavy trucks and buses, and off-highway vehicles. SAE J806 tests prove that WIX oil filters hold 45% more dirt than the leading national brand - meaning we keep filtering long after the competition has completely quit.
Some of the advantages of a WIX oil filter are:
Arch-pleated, Prescription-blended Filter Media - provides a more than adequate filter area. The element has a controlled porosity blended media to assure complete filtration of the oil.
Spiral-wound Center Tube - provides internal element support. The spiral design greatly reduces initial flow restriction when compared to other designs.
Coiled Spring - ensures a constant load on the inner element to maintain the seal between the upper element end cap, the inner element support, and the mounting plate even during pressure surge situations.
Filter Canister - encloses the assembly with a mechanically-locked double seam. The canister provides "flutes" at the closed end for ease of removal with an oil filter wrench.
Silicone Anti-Drainback Valve - Stays flexible in extreme temperatures, improves oil flow and keeps oil in filter to prevent engine destroying dry starts. Also provides lasting protection to meet new vehicle manufacturers longer recommended oil change schedules. Nitrile valves can harden and become ineffective over time.
While I agree they can change their product at any time that they please......
This is a step in the wrong direction if they are in fact switching over to nitrile ADBVs. We are here because we want the best or whatever..... So, why is it wrong to want a silicone ADBV? I want them....
This is a step in the wrong direction if they are in fact switching over to nitrile ADBVs. We are here because we want the best or whatever..... So, why is it wrong to want a silicone ADBV? I want them....
Originally Posted By: GatorJ
Wix can change the specifications on its filter whenever it wants. To label that "false advertising" is beyond silly.
They can change the specifications whenever they want, but the products they sell should not has lower quality part(s) than what was shown on their website.
Most if not all members here know that Silicon ADBV is better than Nitrile ADBV. It may not that importance in my application, but I rather have Silicon ADBV as shown on Wix website when I bought it.
If you buy a laptop after seeing that it has 250GB HDD, the actual laptop has 150GB HDD, Only after you contact them they change their spec to reflect the 150GB capacity. Are you happy ?
If I paid for king crab legs, I'm not very please if what I get is snow crab legs.
Wix can change the specifications on its filter whenever it wants. To label that "false advertising" is beyond silly.
They can change the specifications whenever they want, but the products they sell should not has lower quality part(s) than what was shown on their website.
Most if not all members here know that Silicon ADBV is better than Nitrile ADBV. It may not that importance in my application, but I rather have Silicon ADBV as shown on Wix website when I bought it.
If you buy a laptop after seeing that it has 250GB HDD, the actual laptop has 150GB HDD, Only after you contact them they change their spec to reflect the 150GB capacity. Are you happy ?
If I paid for king crab legs, I'm not very please if what I get is snow crab legs.
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Cooper
Here is a link that states they use silicone ADBV....
Guess they better update their website information then, because now their statement about Wix using silicone ADBVs on all their filters is false. They now need to throw in the "where applicable" qualifier.
No where does it say they use a silicon ADV in all their filters.
"While reading about our products you’ll see terms like glass-enhanced cellulose media, full metal base plates, coiled steel springs, spiral center tubes, pleats-per-inch and silicone anti-drain back valves – product attributes that keep WIX steps ahead of the competition."
Originally Posted By: Cooper
Here is a link that states they use silicone ADBV....
Guess they better update their website information then, because now their statement about Wix using silicone ADBVs on all their filters is false. They now need to throw in the "where applicable" qualifier.
No where does it say they use a silicon ADV in all their filters.
"While reading about our products you’ll see terms like glass-enhanced cellulose media, full metal base plates, coiled steel springs, spiral center tubes, pleats-per-inch and silicone anti-drain back valves – product attributes that keep WIX steps ahead of the competition."
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
I bought 3 Wix spin-on oil filter 51347 from O'Reilly yesterday using the $5 off $5 coupons.
Picture of the filter on Wix website clearly shows that the ADBV is red (most likely silicon), but the actual filter is black nitrate.
Contacted Wix last night and waiting for their respond, probably will receive respond on Monday.
Really? Over the color of the internal component. It's not false advertising.
I bought 3 Wix spin-on oil filter 51347 from O'Reilly yesterday using the $5 off $5 coupons.
Picture of the filter on Wix website clearly shows that the ADBV is red (most likely silicon), but the actual filter is black nitrate.
Contacted Wix last night and waiting for their respond, probably will receive respond on Monday.
Really? Over the color of the internal component. It's not false advertising.
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Guess they better update their website information then, because now their statement about Wix using silicone ADBVs on all their filters is false. They now need to throw in the "where applicable" qualifier.
No where does it say they use a silicon ADV in all their filters.
"While reading about our products you’ll see terms like glass-enhanced cellulose media, full metal base plates, coiled steel springs, spiral center tubes, pleats-per-inch and silicone anti-drain back valves – product attributes that keep WIX steps ahead of the competition."
See red text in your post. Actually, when you read the specs on the individual Wix filters, it doesn't say what the ADBVs are made out of. Maybe some do, but the filters I've looked up don't list the ADBV material.
Can you pull us some Wix filter specs where is actually says what the ADBV material is made of?
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Guess they better update their website information then, because now their statement about Wix using silicone ADBVs on all their filters is false. They now need to throw in the "where applicable" qualifier.
No where does it say they use a silicon ADV in all their filters.
"While reading about our products you’ll see terms like glass-enhanced cellulose media, full metal base plates, coiled steel springs, spiral center tubes, pleats-per-inch and silicone anti-drain back valves – product attributes that keep WIX steps ahead of the competition."
See red text in your post. Actually, when you read the specs on the individual Wix filters, it doesn't say what the ADBVs are made out of. Maybe some do, but the filters I've looked up don't list the ADBV material.
Can you pull us some Wix filter specs where is actually says what the ADBV material is made of?
Originally Posted By: Kuato
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
I bought 3 Wix spin-on oil filter 51347 from O'Reilly yesterday using the $5 off $5 coupons.
Picture of the filter on Wix website clearly shows that the ADBV is red (most likely silicon), but the actual filter is black nitrate.
Contacted Wix last night and waiting for their respond, probably will receive respond on Monday.
Really? Over the color of the internal component. It's not false advertising.
O'Reilly Wix 51347 below. I think it was copied from Wix website with approval. It is the same image as the one on Wix website before Wix changed to a new image on Monday, after my email. There are other images of Wix 51347 with red ADBV floating around on some websites.
We all know that red ADBV is silicon and black is nitrile, we also know that silicon is better than nitrile for long FCI. So, the ADBV color in a official(company) picture is importance.
If the official(company) picture shows black nitrile ADBV did I buy it ? Yes, I would buy it with the $5 off $5 coupons. I knew what I got before going to the store to buy it and I didn't fell cheated.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
I bought 3 Wix spin-on oil filter 51347 from O'Reilly yesterday using the $5 off $5 coupons.
Picture of the filter on Wix website clearly shows that the ADBV is red (most likely silicon), but the actual filter is black nitrate.
Contacted Wix last night and waiting for their respond, probably will receive respond on Monday.
Really? Over the color of the internal component. It's not false advertising.
O'Reilly Wix 51347 below. I think it was copied from Wix website with approval. It is the same image as the one on Wix website before Wix changed to a new image on Monday, after my email. There are other images of Wix 51347 with red ADBV floating around on some websites.
We all know that red ADBV is silicon and black is nitrile, we also know that silicon is better than nitrile for long FCI. So, the ADBV color in a official(company) picture is importance.
If the official(company) picture shows black nitrile ADBV did I buy it ? Yes, I would buy it with the $5 off $5 coupons. I knew what I got before going to the store to buy it and I didn't fell cheated.
dnewton3
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Wix isn't changing over to Nitrile; they have offered it in very limited applications for many years. This isn't "new" by any means. It's been discussed before, but now someone feels cheated because they didn't realize that not all Wix were 100% silicone ADBV. Let's not panic here ...
They have offered, and continue to do so, some small quantity of applications that use nitrile in the Wix line. And nowhere in Wix site does it say that ALL filters use silicone ADBVs; it may infer it, and you may want to believe it, but the reality is that language does not exist anywhere on their site I can find.
To the contrary, they do have this statement directly on their Wixconnect site!
Quote:
*Some filters may or may not have these specific features due to OE requirements or other manufacturing processes. Refer to individual part numbers for specific details.
They are referring this comment to an exploded view pictoral of a filter, which shows and describes the silicone ABDV among the many filter characteristics. However, as you can read from their disclaimer, not all will have this feature. The same could be said of the base-end bypass valve; it's in the exploded view pictoral, so should I assume that ALL Wix filters have this, simply because a picture shows it?
They have covered their postier, whether you all like it or not.
See this link:
http://www.wixconnect.com/products/index.asp
Note - you'll have to "join" WixConnect, but it's quick and free.
Follow that link and then see the exploded view pictoral, and the disclaimer below.
They have offered, and continue to do so, some small quantity of applications that use nitrile in the Wix line. And nowhere in Wix site does it say that ALL filters use silicone ADBVs; it may infer it, and you may want to believe it, but the reality is that language does not exist anywhere on their site I can find.
To the contrary, they do have this statement directly on their Wixconnect site!
Quote:
*Some filters may or may not have these specific features due to OE requirements or other manufacturing processes. Refer to individual part numbers for specific details.
They are referring this comment to an exploded view pictoral of a filter, which shows and describes the silicone ABDV among the many filter characteristics. However, as you can read from their disclaimer, not all will have this feature. The same could be said of the base-end bypass valve; it's in the exploded view pictoral, so should I assume that ALL Wix filters have this, simply because a picture shows it?
They have covered their postier, whether you all like it or not.
See this link:
http://www.wixconnect.com/products/index.asp
Note - you'll have to "join" WixConnect, but it's quick and free.
Follow that link and then see the exploded view pictoral, and the disclaimer below.
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Think dnewton covered it quite nicely. So the answer to the topic question is, 'no'. I'd like to check what my local Napa's Gold 1347 looks like. Wondering if these were older stock, don't know. I do know that when the new 57356 was first introduced for Honda applications (superseding 1356) awhile back, it started with a nitrile adbv and dome bypass. The latest version has a silicone adbv and thread end bypass.
If I wasn't satisfied with the nitrile adbv, I'd just return them. But, having a nitrile adbv will likely make little difference over length of the oci.
If I wasn't satisfied with the nitrile adbv, I'd just return them. But, having a nitrile adbv will likely make little difference over length of the oci.
Originally Posted By: Cooper
Silicone Anti-Drainback Valve - Stays flexible in extreme temperatures, improves oil flow and keeps oil in filter to prevent engine destroying dry starts. Also provides lasting protection to meet new vehicle manufacturers longer recommended oil change schedules. Nitrile valves can harden and become ineffective over time.
There is a spot on the site (I've seen it more than once) that has a disclaimer about the silicone ADBVs (and the thread end bypass) - * where specified.
Silicone Anti-Drainback Valve - Stays flexible in extreme temperatures, improves oil flow and keeps oil in filter to prevent engine destroying dry starts. Also provides lasting protection to meet new vehicle manufacturers longer recommended oil change schedules. Nitrile valves can harden and become ineffective over time.
There is a spot on the site (I've seen it more than once) that has a disclaimer about the silicone ADBVs (and the thread end bypass) - * where specified.
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