Wife is too cheap to have the pizza delivered

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I suppose you're the guy who demands change down to the penny at the door.
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I expect exactly that. Why not? You think you deserve my change because you delivered a pizza?

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To me, tipping someone is a way for one person to show kindness to another.
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I use my good manners for that. The words "please" and "thank you" go further in life than handing some doof a tip for dilvering a pizza.

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I don't know how you grew up, what kind of jobs you have held or whatever, but as someone who has worked for the public in some way or another for many years, I remember what it was like. So, I tip.
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You're right, you don't know how I grew up. I did TONS of high labor and food service jobs. If somebody delivering freakin pizzas makes a ton of under-the-table cash from tips, what would the incentive be to improve themselves? My money is hard earned and I'll be darned if I'm going to give a tip to a usually nasty looking, uneducated, thirty five year old guy that has zero goals in life. Sound harsh? Well, this is the typical driver I get at my house. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable tipping my garbage man....at least he has a career.
 
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Originally posted by andrews:

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I suppose you're the guy who demands change down to the penny at the door.
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I expect exactly that. Why not? You think you deserve my change because you delivered a pizza?

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To me, tipping someone is a way for one person to show kindness to another.
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I use my good manners for that. The words "please" and "thank you" go further in life than handing some doof a tip for dilvering a pizza.

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I don't know how you grew up, what kind of jobs you have held or whatever, but as someone who has worked for the public in some way or another for many years, I remember what it was like. So, I tip.
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You're right, you don't know how I grew up. I did TONS of high labor and food service jobs. If somebody delivering freakin pizzas makes a ton of under-the-table cash from tips, what would the incentive be to improve themselves? My money is hard earned and I'll be darned if I'm going to give a tip to a usually nasty looking, uneducated, thirty five year old guy that has zero goals in life. Sound harsh? Well, this is the typical driver I get at my house. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable tipping my garbage man....at least he has a career.
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Hopefully the same delivery person does not come to your home. At my college job, our drivers would do interesting things to pizza's at non tipping repeat addresses.
 
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Originally posted by andrews:
You're right, you don't know how I grew up. I did TONS of high labor and food service jobs. If somebody delivering freakin pizzas makes a ton of under-the-table cash from tips, what would the incentive be to improve themselves? My money is hard earned and I'll be darned if I'm going to give a tip to a usually nasty looking, uneducated, thirty five year old guy that has zero goals in life. Sound harsh? Well, this is the typical driver I get at my house. Frankly, I would feel more comfortable tipping my garbage man....at least he has a career.
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Ok. I see the problem. It's not the job, it's the particular prople who come to your door.
 
The way I see it, if the costumer don't tip there is no say so when he bought the pizza and there ain't no law says he has to.

So if your a pizza delivery guy be happy you got a job! If I tipped a delivery guy and he dosn't appreciate the tip, what then. Anybody ever tell you in any type of business that the costumer is right to a certain point...he's the buyer...so if you don't get tipped..either stick with your job or find another one!
 
Very good point mamala! It's almost as though these delivery people EXPECT and DEMAND that they should get a tip for choosing such a low end job.

Let the following statement speak for itself:
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At my college job, our drivers would do interesting things to pizza's at non tipping repeat addresses.
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This is EXACTLY the moral quality of most pizza delivery people.
 
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Originally posted by andrews:
XS650,
Good or bad, being blunt is my trademark.
I'm really not trying to offend the pizza drivers out there, I'm just telling it like it is. I would honestly like to see them have an improved employment situation. I'm not a fan of unionizing, but if these drivers would demand higher compensation, and the employers would charge the customer a set delivery charge to pay for a portion of the higher wages, everybody would be happy.
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You are not telling it like it is. You obviously have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA of "how it is."

How are the drivers going to demand higher compensation? This is unskilled labor. Most drivers are college age kids, who aren't exactly experienced in the ways of organized labor. While delivering pizzas does require some experience, most management would sooner fire their delivery force and hire a new one than pay higher wages.

Besides that fact, people delivering pizza simply don't have earn enough money to have any saved in case of a walkout. The management can just suspend deliveries for a week, then make everybody come back on their terms when they run out of money. Without very cheap legal help or something like that, the delivery staff doesn't have much power against management.

Do you realize that many pizza places don't even give drivers the breaks that are mandated by state and local laws? If the driver mentions it, he gets fired. I almost did.

The ONLY thing that makes working in this business worth it is tipping.

Pizza drivers are very often college kids trying to earn money for school, or people working second jobs. There are some uneducated people working. But that's not everybody. My particular restaurant did not have one person delivering as a career. You simply have a bad stereotype of drivers. Not tipping because of your stereotype of pizza guys is EXACTLY the same as not tipping someone because they are black.

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Originally posted by andrews:
I would honestly like to see them have an improved employment situation.
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I don't believe that. If you did, you'd tip.
 
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Originally posted by andrews:
The only thing I tip for is a waiter/waitress. No amount of attempted guilt placement will stimulate me to give a tip to a freakin pizza driver. Sorry, but it's just a low end job. If you want to make money in tips, become a waiter.
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If you are willing to tip a waiter/waitress, then you should be willing to tip the pizza guy. Look at how much work each does. The pizza guy does AT LEAST as much work, it's just out of sight. This direct comparison can help put it in perspective.

Being willing to tip a person who carries food to your table, but not being willing to tip a person who drives it to your house makes no sense and is horribly rude.
 
since we are on the subject of tipping (i do tip the pizza guy, but find the idea of "tipping required" strikes a nerve with me)
Do you tip a bartender?
you order a $4.50 drink, the guy spends 30 seconds pouring $.75 worth of "drink" and will get tipped a buck. what service over and above has he performed that requires some extra dough? I understand tipping a waitress that is "taking care of you" and making sure your drinks don't run dry while she balances 15 other customers.

I always tip and I tip well for great service from a waiter/ress. but when people are doing an average job over and over again why do we give them a special bonus? do we feel sorry for them because they have to take this low paying job because of "other situations" in their life. Is it becuase I have plenty of extra money, not being a waiter or delivery person, that I can toss extra money out to pay my servants?

in this case why don't you tip the janitors at the place that you work? they keep everything clean and get paid less than restraunt servers. why don't you tip the IT or maintenance workers for getting something fixed for you extra quick? how about tipping your boss for giving you that extra raise this year?
 
Unbelievable cheapeees in this thread! If you go out to eat and are waited on expect to tip at least 15% or more. If you get a haircut I recommend at least 20% or $5. It cost me $15 to get the whole family a haircut since I have tipped good over the years. Thats 4 people! I tip the cutter $10-$15 dollars. The pizza deliverer gets at least $3 and he is less than a mile away.

If you are going to be rude or cheap don't eat out and get service. Don't order pizza delivery. Learn to cut your own hair or buy a flowbee.
 
It's quite comical and rather predictable at the judgemental attitude some people get because I choose to not tip a pizza dolt. Even though I enjoy the attempts at labeling and demonization, it does get rather tiring. The whole thing is fairly pointless for me anyway, being that I rarely eat pizza for health reasons.
I must give ample credit to Palut for his explanation and correlation of my attitude and how it relates to racism! Priceless...just priceless!
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If you are going to be rude or cheap don't eat out and get service.
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Thanks for the advice, but I'm not cheap...or rude actually. I just expect something for my dollar. I do tip waiters....just not pizza delivery people. Besides, I don't go out to eat very much. I've worked in food service in my early years and the last thing I want to do is contract some horrible illness from some low paying slob that didn't wash their hands after going to the bathroom. No, not all food service workers are like this, but many are. With HIV, hepatitis, ecoli, and a host of other disgusting "bugs", I'll eat at home. I just have enough guts to tell it like it is and not worry about "feelings" all the time.
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Learn to cut your own hair or buy a flowbee.
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Actually, my wife cuts my hair. But I did tip when I went to the haircutters....sorry to dissapoint the labeling crowd!
 
Amkeer,
If you want to get nasty, send me a private message and leave this off the board. I'll be glad to verbally duke it out with you...others just don't need to deal with it, okay?
 
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I must give ample credit to Palut for his explanation and correlation of my attitude and how it relates to racism! Priceless...just priceless!
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How can you act like your attitude is ridiculous. You keep referring to pizza guys as "dolts", and saying that you won't tip them because they're stupid, or dirty, or smelly. It's not racism, but is similar: It's a stereotype of a group of people. I can't believe your attitude.
 
Palut,

Don't bother some people just are, well you know. I will give my pizza guy an extra buck the next time I order even though he gets $3 on a $10 order I just feel bad cause I know how nasty the general public can be. What a shame!
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Palut,
This is getting off topic but I will reply.
My description of the pizza drivers that have come to my door is precisely what I have witnessed. If you have a differing class of people that deliver to your door, fine. But I don't. And when I am getting food, whether it is takeout, delivery, or at a table, cleanliness and proper attire makes a big difference in how I feel about what's going into my mouth.
You compared my opinion of pizza drivers to racism....I believe you said that it was, quote, "exactly the same". Now you're backtracking because I called you on it. And you call me ridiculous? Just because I don't share your view of things, I'm somehow acting "exactly" like a racist?
No sir, it's your attitude that needs a closer examination. Any further off-topic rants should be sent PM so as not to offend others, okay?
 
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