I understand the push to bring more electrics online, but I don't understand the push to eliminate ICEs so quickly. People are not going to convert overnight. The transformation will take decades, and some people will still want ICE powered vehicles. Why can't we have both?
Why the big push to eliminate ICEs?
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EV's should be encouraged in urban areas, ice's should be allowed in rural areas, there is NO REALISITC way to bring electric vehicles to rural places, there is just no way an electric car can be as reliable as an engine with internal combustion.
I think these pushes are complete nonsense, the mining of the components of lithium is already quite dirty, and is done in the worst matter, contaminating the environment while doing so, so much more than the process of manufacturing and maintaining internal combustion engines.
This is LITHIUM MINING
Im not going to explain the impact of lithium contaminating water tables, but it is a huge risk.
These batteries don't last quite as long as an engine either, sometimes these battery packs cost more than a brand new engine or transmission.
The ICE is becoming more and more efficient over the years, we should switch to alternative fuel sources instead of going completely electric.
I don't think everybody understands that everything will eventually degrade, especially when it comes to carbon dioxide, a lot of it dissolves into the ocean after a certain amount of time, lets say 20 years, the other co2 will be consumed by plants.
I think these pushes are complete nonsense, the mining of the components of lithium is already quite dirty, and is done in the worst matter, contaminating the environment while doing so, so much more than the process of manufacturing and maintaining internal combustion engines.
Im not going to explain the impact of lithium contaminating water tables, but it is a huge risk.
These batteries don't last quite as long as an engine either, sometimes these battery packs cost more than a brand new engine or transmission.
The ICE is becoming more and more efficient over the years, we should switch to alternative fuel sources instead of going completely electric.
I don't think everybody understands that everything will eventually degrade, especially when it comes to carbon dioxide, a lot of it dissolves into the ocean after a certain amount of time, lets say 20 years, the other co2 will be consumed by plants.
I'm pretty sure you know the reason... it has to do with a topic not allowed to be discussed here, because people not involved with this forum have made it an inherently political issue.
and as we know politics aren't allowed here.
and as we know politics aren't allowed here.
which is part of why the oceans are acidifying and the reefs are dying.
Even if a freshly cut forest is immediately replanted, it takes an average of 30 years for the area to become a net Carbon Sink again.
and that's a close as I'm willing to push the envelope with the mods. I'm out of this conversation.
Not sure what you think is occurring. OEM’s are stating they are going to be ICE free (at least passenger car market) in 5-10 years. Right now it’s still mostly ICE for sale. Honestly, i think once the uptake increases a bit we will see just how tolerant the buying public really is of EV’s, if they prefer it or if EV does not go past a certain percentage.
I’m not sure that ICE is getting all that more efficient. Hybrid versions yes, but the engine itself I’m not so sure of. Still well below 50%.
I’m not sure that ICE is getting all that more efficient. Hybrid versions yes, but the engine itself I’m not so sure of. Still well below 50%.
I think the big carmakers are just setting a goal of eventually not selling ICE vehicles. When the demand picture does not change they will still sell what sells. At some point electrics might be compromise free and universally adopted but i think it will take way longer than some of the current timelines.
Curious what the percentage is mined for ev‘s versus all the other lithium batteries. If there is battery outrage for ev’s it seems there should be battery outrage about cell phones, computers, power tools, toys, on and on for a million different products.
look at the lithium usage growth in the last 2-3 years when EV's took off
Well, the outrage is a convenient crutch for the stubborn, not that EVs are a magic solution to CC, they just allow mostly business as usual.
EVs=
I've often thought the term "fossil fuel" is a weird way to describe the substance internal-combustion engines use to create power.
In my opinion, "organic fuel" would be a more accurate term.
In my opinion, "organic fuel" would be a more accurate term.
I would like to own an autonomous electric vehicle. I may need in new vehicle in 3-5 years and I think the advantages of an A-EV will be obvious by then.
Follow the money.
No matter what you call it the sequestration of CO2 over many 100s of millions of years was critical to forming a comfortable habitat for oxygen-breathing life. It was not meant to be disturbed unfortunately.
Garden equipment has been going cordless too, cordless power tools are everywhere, and everyone gets a new cell phone and tablet/laptop like candy bars, so I was just wondering the percentage. Everyone has a lithium ion battery on them pretty much all their waking hours, or more than one.
Very small batteries though... an EV has 500 pound batteries... I found some cobalt figures which is another component used in Lithium batteries. The cobalt use in batteries has tripled between 2000 and 2016 to 50% of world production. In 2020 it was apparently already 60% of all cobalt mined that went to battery production.
My new laptop which hopefully arrives soon has a 45Wh battery, while electric cars can have 150kWh batteries, or 3000 times as much. Doesn't take many EV's to get the percentages up.
My new laptop which hopefully arrives soon has a 45Wh battery, while electric cars can have 150kWh batteries, or 3000 times as much. Doesn't take many EV's to get the percentages up.
If I lived in a city rather than the rural area we do live in, I would consider an EV as a primary vehicle, with an ICE vehicle for trips. Or rent an ICE vehicle when needed. Purchase price of EV's is high though, compared to an ICE, but maybe the operating cost would equal things out. A lot of variables to consider..
Our biggest concern needs to be the (continued) lower CO2 production of electricity-once that has been accomplished (via solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, both fission & fusion), combined with conservation, then EVs will become a viable alternative. Until then we're kind of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic... Also, IBTL!
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