Why the big push to eliminate ICEs?

[Job]

All I said is its going to end up in courts for sure.

https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2021-04-26/epa-california-emissions-waiver-reversing-trump

The Environmental Protection Agency announced that it is reviewing a major Trump-era action that blocked California’s legal authority to set tailpipe emission standards for cars and SUVs that are tougher than federal regulations. After seeking the public’s input, as required by law, the agency intends to rescind the Trump administration’s decision, a spokesman for the agency said.

From that inline linked article

California’s special authority to go further than the federal government in regulating auto pollution dates back to the 1960s, when Los Angeles was enveloped in a thick layer of smog that state officials came to see as a public health crisis. By the time the 1970 federal Clean Air Act took effect, the state had already enacted its own tailpipe emission controls.
Concerned that each state would pass different regulations, Congress decided that the EPA would set vehicle pollution standards for the nation. But it carved out an exception for California, saying that the EPA would be required to grant the state a waiver to set its own rules, provided they were at least as stringent as the federal ones. Other states could choose to follow either California’s regulations or those set by the EPA.

I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I don't believe CA has the right to regulate interstate commerce by banning gasoline vehicles. This equates to another virute signal like banning straws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

California, home of the hopped up customized car, hasn't passed any laws yet to ban gas cars, have they?

 

[4WD]

Trading one necessary evil for another.

Not to mention fools hauling oil on skinny rail tracks along pristine rivers. The pipeline guys now directionally drill crossings far beneath rivers and float the coated pipe in place …

 

[PandaBear]

So you're okay with idiots driving vehicles on public roadways that are capable of 200 MPH? I'm okay with them driving in your area, but not mine. And when did I say driving 100 MPH was okay?

I am ok with people buying those 200mph vehicles, just like I am ok with people buy 100mph capable vehicles. I am not ok with them driving above 90mph regardless of it capable of 200mph or 100mph.

People bring their cars to race tracks all the time, nothing new.

I think you will not find one single vehicle that cannot exceed speed limit in the US.

 

[2strokeNorthstar]

Not to mention fools hauling oil on skinny rail tracks along pristine rivers. The pipeline guys now directionally drill crossings far beneath rivers and float the coated pipe in place …

That is another ignored thing with stopping the pipeline construction. Nobody is stopping delivering. Delivery by rail is more costly and dangerous.

 

[PandaBear]

Again, when did I say I was okay with people doing 100 MPH? What I'm saying is today far too many people have access to enough money to buy these insanely fast vehicles, and many of them don't have the common sense to know when using all that power is appropriate. Public roads are not the place to wring these vehicles out. I was going to buy a Vette, but finding one equipped the way I wanted was too difficult, so I spent the money on a new motorcycle instead...

When did WE say we were ok with people doing 200mph? Who are we to say people have too much money to spend? People make money people spend it, we are not in Soviet Russia to say one way or another.

You complain about the speed then you go and talk about buying a motorcycle, which is capable of going way faster than a sport car.

 

[PandaBear]

California, home of the hopped up customized car, hasn't passed any laws yet to ban gas cars, have they?

Politics change, car love doesn't. Remember EV1 in the 90s? The laws will change (either adding loopholes or reversed in the future with enough lobbying money), just chill. We Californians weren't worried yet somehow the rest of the US are holding pitchforks.

I have a feeling someone buying gas cars in the future will end up paying some emission credits and to be used to crush older gas cars somewhere else in the US (those with head gasket or transmission problems and heading to the junkyard anyways).

 

[Job]

That is another ignored thing with stopping the pipeline construction. Nobody is stopping delivering. Delivery by rail is more costly and dangerous.

Not to get into forbidden topics, but time didn’t begin this year. First the pipeline was going back and forth, build or don’t build. Then it was decided with long consideration about the effects, to stop it. Then after it was stopped, it was started back up rather suddenly. Now it’s back to being stopped, like the first decision, which was carefully considered pro and con. Just to have a larger time frame.

 

[javacontour]

So in your perfect little world people would never exceed the speed limits on public roads, and they would only unleash the full power of one of these vehicles on a race track, right?

In my mind, there is no perfect world because there are no perfect people. There are no perfect laws either, because there are no perfect people.

So I'd rather devote resources to something that is a major problem. We don't seem to have extinction level traffic fatality rates, so I don't lose sleep over someone who might have a Veyron or similar that goes really fast.

 

[Astro14]

I think we jumped the shark a while ago…lock time.