A little less denial and a bit more acceptance may be in order. By burying our collective heads in the sand we cede the benefit of development to adversaries. The die is cast. Get on board or get out of the way. Nobody said life was fair or even makes sense all the time. Small Modular Nuclear is probably the base load of the future. The electrified future.
Why the big push to eliminate ICEs?
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Yeah, they're working on it. The article is correct, do some Googling and you'll see. I see this stuff on the news here all the time, you obviously don't.Working on it? Not very clear what this article actually means, sounds strange. It’s someone’s interpretation of the legislation, not the actual legislation. I know passenger cars are below 10,0000 lbs.
I guess gas will be cheaper up in Washington for the tourists. Or are they working on that too? If you lived near the state border you could gas up in WA and go back home. Or are they going to look at every car I odometer at the border as it arrives and as it leaves?
And it's not only for EVs, down the road they want it for all vehicles because they are losing revenue from gas taxes, even through the gas tax keeps going up. IMO, EVs should at least have a pay per mile road use charge since they don't pay gas tax, nor pay an added tax on the electricity they use to charge-up with.
https://www.kuow.org/stories/pay-pe...-in-washington-legislature-to-augment-gas-tax
Who knows, they mighy have boarder patrols and ask people for "their papers" by 2030.
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EV's will never take over. ICE's are here to stay till the end of time.
Think back to the discovery of oil, the industrial revolution, etc. The entire infrastructure of the world would have to be completely wiped out, taking us back to the caveman era, and starting over from scratch.
Nope, it'll never happen until humanity disappears and reappears.
Think back to the discovery of oil, the industrial revolution, etc. The entire infrastructure of the world would have to be completely wiped out, taking us back to the caveman era, and starting over from scratch.
Nope, it'll never happen until humanity disappears and reappears.
I needed that chuckle before dinner ...
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The article is wrong about their reference to Calif. the link leads to the article about the governor signing an executive order, not a law. The other thing is gas has to be available,and in 2050 people will still be driving their 2029 gas cars. Gas will be cheap too. Sounds like a win win for the elderly drivers. I won’t be around. Which reminds me I have a lot of things to get done before I die. I would bet money none of this in WA is going to happen. Too far fetched. The article is terrible. Always go to the source not someone’s interpretation to learn what is and what is not.Yeah, they're working on it. The article is correct, do some Googling and you'll see. I see this stuff on the news here all the time, you obviously don't.
https://www.kuow.org/stories/pay-pe...-in-washington-legislature-to-augment-gas-tax
Who knows, they mighy have boarder patrols and ask people for "their papers" by 2030.
Just read some of the second article. That’s a comic book. It is really funny. You will end up driving old cars like in Cuba. No one will want an ev, I sure wouldn’t. It isn’t happening, it all will go by the wayside into the trash bin is my prediction. It’s like, what???
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I just heard recently that an EV owner was charged 3-4 times the going rate for their plate renewal. They looked into it and were told it was because they didn’t pay road taxes that are on fuel. So some states are starting to think about that.
I still think it’s a fad.The article is wrong about their reference to Calif. the link leads to the article about the governor signing an executive order, not a law. The other thing is gas has to be available,and in 2050 people will still be driving their 2029 gas cars. Gas will be cheap too. Sounds like a win win for the elderly drivers. I won’t be around. Which reminds me I have a lot of things to get done before I die. I would bet money none of this in WA is going to happen. Too far fetched. The article is terrible. Always go to the source not someone’s interpretation to learn what is and what is not.
Just read some of the second article. That’s a comic book. It is really funny. You will end up driving old cars like in Cuba. No one will want an ev, I sure wouldn’t. It isn’t happening, it all will go by the wayside into the trash bin is my prediction. It’s like, what???
You like being told...
What to drive ?
What to eat ? = Methane
How far to drive ?
How big or small a place to live in ?
Problem is this is all agenda.
I've seen some crazy arsed laws passed here in the last 20 years, so I'm sure some form of lunacy will materialize. Good thing my ICEs have low mileage, might have to make them last for another 30 years.Just read some of the second article. That’s a comic book. It is really funny. You will end up driving old cars like in Cuba. No one will want an ev, I sure wouldn’t. It isn’t happening, it all will go by the wayside into the trash bin is my prediction. It’s like, what???
I'm pointing out that this agenda is going to happen whether you or I like it or not. Throwing yourself on the grenade isn't likely to result in much of a slowdown of this freight train. This isn't limited to our shores. The Chinese are so far ahead of us in adopting this technology that we will be dictated to in the marketplace unless we face facts, innovate and build infrastructure now. I own ICE/toys/tools/cars, I work at a coal fired power plant. I am cognizant of the issues. Ignoring them or delaying them only helps our competition on the world market.
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General statement...there is a scientifically established difference in the perceived level of threat (from all sources) between the two parties of the US. The news media knows this as do the influencers out there and they all love pushing their agenda. Like most things in life, the actual threat (to losing ICEs) is somewhere between the two perceived levels of threat (ICEs will be gone in the next few years vs they will be around forever don't worry about it). Change is coming, change is here, but the sky is not falling. ICE will be around for a long time and we will move more towards electrification as time goes on. Life will go on...
IMO by the time the infrastructure is in place for ICE engines to go bye bye I'll be pushing daisies. All kidding aside I don't see myself owning one, nor do I want one.
All auto companies want the excessive stock valuations of Tesla. I think that this at least has something to it.
Outside of climate concerns the primary impetus revolves around local air pollution. Urban air quality has been horrendous in China which is the largest automobile market in the world. European cities were furious when they found out that the VW diesel emissions scandal was partly why their localized air pollution was not improving as expected.
The thing is that rural market is a lot smaller than the suburban/urban market and generally speaking the people living in rural areas won't be able to afford to acquire or fuel a non-hybrid ICE.
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No different than any other mine.
Tar Sands Canada
Coal Mine Canada
West Virginia Coal Mines
MOAB Uranium Mine UTAH... (Notice the stream which is doused with radioactive run off)
Story about abandoned oil wells in Texas and here's a map of other areas of the US which have a similar problem.
Here is a quick rundown on gasoline tax in California. Just using the California Excise tax, 12,000 miles per year and 25 miles per gain would result in $240 per year in lost tax. Multiply by a million EV’s and it’s 24 million in lost tax. Doesn’t seem like much in a world where deficits are measured in Billions and Trillions of dollars.
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You guys can argue as much as you want, but you are not the ones deciding about this. It is our kids.
My heart says BMW inline six manual, my brain says that my kid might have different take on this.
My heart says BMW inline six manual, my brain says that my kid might have different take on this.
Hate to say but this is Californian being Californian. I think they know it is an unrealistic goal but they just want to lite a fire under most manufacturers so they will at least have some EV in their R&D pipeline by the time, and even if regime change in politics they will still at least have some models of EV.
Sort of like how EV1 paves the momentum that leads to Prius that also leads to plug in hybrids and then Leafs and now Tesla and Ford F150 EV.
Sort of like how EV1 paves the momentum that leads to Prius that also leads to plug in hybrids and then Leafs and now Tesla and Ford F150 EV.
And there will be owners complaining that they had to replace tires before their first nuclear refuel.
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