Why not more hybrids?

[NISMO_JUNKY]

Why not more ICE's that get way better mileage than they do? It's been possible for decades.

No, I don't believe the earth is flat. But I do believe what I see.

More efficiency usually comes at the expense of power regardless of changes made and I for one won't sacrifice that to gain better mpg...

 

[andrew_j]

Here, seeing as you're too lazy to do it. This took all of 60 seconds.

"Hybrids captured 3.2% of the light vehicle market in 2013 and again 5.5% in 2021. All-electric vehicles accounted for 3.2% of the light vehicle market in 2021."

https://www.bts.gov/content/gasoline-hybrid-and-electric-vehicle-sales

 

[billt460]

This will change as gasoline prices keep going up.

Somewhat yes, they will. But again the range factor, along with long charging times will alway rear their ugly head. In an urban environment EV's have their place. And the market shows this, as that is where the bulk of sales reside.

But again, in rural settings, with hundreds of miles between major cities, their use is very limited. And if people don't travel much, buying a EV to replace your gas vehicle is simply false economy. The cost will never offset the purchase price. Much like buying a Diesel for the minor improvement in mileage it offers.

And as fossil fuel prices increase, so will the cost per kilowatt to charge your EV.

 

[PimTac]

Somewhat yes, they will. But again the range factor, along with long charging times will alway rear their ugly head. In an urban environment EV's have their place. And the market shows this, as that is where the bulk of sales reside.

But again, in rural settings, with hundreds of miles between major cities, their use is very limited. And if people don't travel much, buying a EV to replace your gas vehicle is simply false economy. The cost will never offset the purchase price. Much like buying a Diesel for the minor improvement in mileage it offers.

And as fossil fuel prices increase, so will the cost per kilowatt to charge your EV.

I agree and that’s why I favor hybrids.

 

[Silver]

More efficiency usually comes at the expense of power regardless of changes made and I for one won't sacrifice that to gain better mpg...

V8's of years past I've had that got the mileage of modern V6's show it's obviously not always a tradeoff.

 

[billt460]

Why are you involved in a thread about EV's, when you're not old enough to drive?

 

[billt460]

I agree and that’s why I favor hybrids.

Of the 2, hybrids appear to be the far better choice.

 

[PimTac]

Of the 2, hybrids appear to be the far better choice.

I also agree and I like that some hybrid systems can let you choose to run on battery only which is great for those short trips to the store or school or wherever. Toyota has such systems.

 

[edyvw]

No. I'm saying this country currently has enough oil to last us decades, if not over a century into the future. Enough coal to last us 3-1/2 centuries. What's the big rush by this administration to stop ICE sales by 2035? That's preposterous.

Why put a time limit on ICE production, when we don't have a proven replacement? The exact same can be said for replacing coal. Let the free market determine who buys what. Not the government

That's news for me. Where did the administration ban ICE?

 

[PimTac]

That's news for me. Where did the administration ban ICE?

States are doing it.

 

[billt460]

That's news for me. Where did the administration ban ICE?

Seriously, do you watch ANY news?

 

[edyvw]

Here, seeing as you're too lazy to do it. This took all of 60 seconds.

"Hybrids captured 3.2% of the light vehicle market in 2013 and again 5.5% in 2021. All-electric vehicles accounted for 3.2% of the light vehicle market in 2021."

https://www.bts.gov/content/gasoline-hybrid-and-electric-vehicle-sales

I specifically said Toyota and demand for their hybrid vehicles.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...vision reported sales,a volume and DSR basis.

The drop in sales at TMNA, is due to a chip shortage. 25% of all sales in Toyota are hybrids and next year that will probably be the majority.
PHEV are the next big thing, and in few years, you won't be able to sell a family SUV without being PHEV. Not because of government, but because 36-40mpg is much better for a wallet than 20mpg, or 60mpg is much better than almost 40mpg that a small 4cyl engine can squeeze.
You forget that we live in the time of SUV's and that4cyl won't cut it.

 

[edyvw]

Seriously, do you watch ANY news?

I do. Not "news" you watch. So, where is that executive act? I want to read it on my own.

 

[billt460]

You forget that we live in the time of SUV's and that4cyl won't cut it.

Yeah, that must be why no one is buying Camry's or Corolla's.

 

[andrew_j]

Seriously, do you watch ANY news?

If you “watch” news (Fox or CNN whatever ) you can get distorted views unfortunately of reality. The federal government did ban ICE after 2035 for their own internal procurement of government fleet. I have a feeling watching possibly distorted that fact to mean everyone . Federal government did nothing however to banning the sale of them to everyone else, states have the local control like NY and CA did.

CA however is major influencer of US automakers so they follow suit.

 

[billt460]

I do. Not "news" you watch. So, where is that executive act? I want to read it on my own.

You must be sleeping if you are. Because both MSDNC and CNN are all giving it 10 times the airplay Fox is. And even they're beating it to death. All completely oblivious to you, however.

 

[billt460]

Unfortunately if you “watch” news you get
If you “watch” news (Fox or CNN whatever ) you can get distorted views unfortunately of reality. The federal government did ban ICE after 2035 for their own internal procurement of government fleet. I have a feeling watching possibly distorted that fact to mean everyone . Federal government did nothing however to banning the sale of them to everyone else, states have the local control like NY and CA did.

CA however is major influencer of US automakers so they follow suit.

This isn't a matter of political opinion. States are doing it left and right. Perhaps you can catch up with the rest of what the world already knows. Unless you're in a coma, much like our current leader.

There is no need, or requirement for ANY of this. If EV's and hybrids are all so wonderful, then let the free market show that. Forcing the removal of a given proven product to push a political agenda on people, is not what a free society does.

Are these enough "non Fox" sources for you? If you need more, just let me know.

https://www.prageru.com/california-...yS_IWF_YbdS9XzVMStw3FYkophLWAepIaAkdyEALw_wcB

https://www.thefuturescentre.org/si...Eyi1EXwkclXcvcQJ7vU-txemlWYAOz0AaAjUfEALw_wcB

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/cal... populous,cleaner vehicles beginning in 2026.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/25/1119...an-sales-of-new-gasoline-powered-cars-by-2035

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/climate/california-gas-cars-emissions.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/24/california-ban-sales-gas-powered-cars-2035

 

[billt460]

And here is a list of states who are prepared to follow suit, before you start whining about, "only California".

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/massac... Delaware, Maine,pre-ban car emissions rules.

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

Toyota Prius hybrids work really well and you don't have range anxiety issues. I guess some people really don't like having an ICE being used. It's better to have coal power plants supplying the charging?

Depends on where you live. If you live in the NW or New England it's likely a mix of hyrdo. Of course there's nuclear as well.

 

[NISMO_JUNKY]

V8's of years past I've had that got the mileage of modern V6's show it's obviously not always a tradeoff.

I will also add that manufacturers utilizing idiotic systems like start/stop, cylinder deactivation, etc. is such a waste that serves very little real world purpose.