Why is Wix better than P1?

[ltslimjim]

Originally Posted By: Provi
yeah if the filter is mounted sideways I do not think it matters where the bypass is but if mounted upright then yes I would not want the bypass in the bottom just like my wife's van.


You mean the dome, you DO want it in the baseplate end, correect? 'thread-end' bypass location, like the motorcraft design?

bottom and top can get confusing, but lets not start that again.

 

[Provi]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Originally Posted By: Provi
yeah if the filter is mounted sideways I do not think it matters where the bypass is but if mounted upright then yes I would not want the bypass in the bottom just like my wife's van.


You mean the dome, you DO want it in the baseplate end, correect? 'thread-end' bypass location, like the motorcraft design?

bottom and top can get confusing, but lets not start that again.


you are correct

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
bottom and top can get confusing, but lets not start that again.

I don't really want a base end bypass for my Tacoma since the filter is mounted vertical with base down. If debris releases and settles to the bottom by the base, then the base end bypass wouldn't be the best for that filter's orientation.

 

[ltslimjim]

^I wonder why Ford's with orientation like that recommend thread-end? Heck, maybe I got the two backwards. (lol, I totally did but still gave good confirmation response back to provi go figure, lol!)

Dome-end bypass for vertical orientation, with the base-plate mounted downward. Thread-end bypass for vertical orientation, with the base-plate facing upward.

Are ya 'down' with that?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
^I wonder why Ford's with orientation like that recommend thread-end?


Not too familiar with Fords these days, but from what I've seen most filters on Fords have the filter's base end up to some degree.

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
Dome-end bypass for vertical orientation, with the base-plate mounted downward. Thread-end bypass for vertical orientation, with the base-plate facing upward.

Are ya 'down' with that?


That would be my preference. On a horizontal filter, it shouldn't really matter where the bypass valve is located.

 

[TravsRam]

Originally Posted By: volk06
P1 are also built in USA while wix has moved some to other countries.


I promise you, any Wix filter you buy is made in USA.

 

[CharBaby]

I believe that in certain applications, that one brand(WIX/P1) filter can be better than the other and visa-versa...Accross the board with other brands too!

 

[Jim Allen]

Originally Posted By: mva
I think Wix are overrated. Wix are well constructed but Pureone has more media and better efficiency than Wix. Here is a comparison of a common size (Fram Ph5 equivalent):

WIX 51086

Filter area: 185 sq/in
ADBV material: Silicon
Average pore size: 35 µm
Smallest pore size: 16 µm

WIX 51334 50% multipass efficiency at 22 microns and 95% multipass efficiency at 40 microns

Purolator PureOne PL34631

ADBV material: Silicon
Filter area: 330 sq/in
Average pore size: 24 µm
Smallest pore size: 11 µm

Fram Extra Guard PH5

ADBV material: Nitrile
Filter area: 183 sq/in
Average pore size: 32.5 µm
Smallest pore size: 14 µm

Fram Tough Guard TG5

ADBV material: Silicon
Filter area: 274 sq/in
Average pore size: 26 µm
Smallest pore size: 12 µm

Fram Toughguard 99% Multipass Efficiency at 20 microns



MVA.. what's your source on the media data on the fitlers. Nice, comparable data.

I like the way Wix's are constructed, over the P1 in most cases, but I wish Wix would upgrade their media. In any case, comparing individual filters is often easier that comparing a whole brand. They each have gems in the lineup as well as "brown trout." I guess you could call a "best" manufacturer the one with the fewest brown trout.

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: ltslimjim
^Some apps prefer one over another, which is why I posted what I did earlier in this thread.

These are AFTERMARKET filters designed for a LARGE variety of apps, there are 'bound' to be some apps like yours which don't 'like' certain filters due to a spec.

For instance, could the issue you had with the P1 be the bypass relief on the filter(differential pressure across the media) relative to the OE factory filter? I mean, classic is basically the same as P1 just different canister, media, relief valve spec, and adbv material, right?


Yup, I totally agree on the part where different apps like different filters. PureOnes work well for my other engines, just not in the Cherokee. I have no idea how it would compare to the OE filter for this engine though. The Jeep itself is a 2000, but the 4.0 dates back to 1987. The current Mopar filters do have a thread end bypass, but most likely the design of the filter wasn't the same 12+ years ago.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: TravsRam
Originally Posted By: volk06
P1 are also built in USA while wix has moved some to other countries.


I promise you, any Wix filter you buy is made in USA.


There are many 3rd-party sourced "WIX" branded filters (fuel filters are a prime example) that are not USA made, nor are they labelled as such.

 

[Provi]

yeah the Auto Xtra filters are made in Mexico

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: TravsRam
Originally Posted By: volk06
P1 are also built in USA while wix has moved some to other countries.


I promise you, any Wix filter you buy is made in USA.


There are many 3rd-party sourced "WIX" branded filters (fuel filters are a prime example) that are not USA made, nor are they labelled as such.

 

[drtyler]

Not so. Volk06 is correct.

The 51334 oil filter is made in Mexico. This is a very popular filter for a lot of Honda and Acura cars. It's been made in Mexico for several years.



Originally Posted By: TravsRam
Originally Posted By: volk06
P1 are also built in USA while wix has moved some to other countries.


I promise you, any Wix filter you buy is made in USA.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: TravsRam
Originally Posted By: volk06
P1 are also built in USA while wix has moved some to other countries.


I promise you, any Wix filter you buy is made in USA.


Hmmmm.... then why did the NAPA Gold aka Wix cartridge filter say made in Poland on it?!?! I promise I'm not lying

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: volk06
Hmmmm.... then why did the NAPA Gold aka Wix cartridge filter say made in Poland on it?!?! I promise I'm not lying


I've seen that, too. My Audi's Wix fuel filter was made in Mexico.

 

[nleksan]

Not to sidetrack, but how does a K&N HP-7007 compare to either Wix or P1? How about equivalent AFE?

 

[CharBaby]

Originally Posted By: nleksan
Not to sidetrack, but how does a K&N HP-7007 compare to either Wix or P1? How about equivalent AFE?


My understanding is that, K&N oil filters are designed to trap larger micron particles of dirt as in racing applications or modified car where oil flow is everything under those extreme conditions. I could be wrong!

Where as WIX and P1 are designed to trap more dirt(smaller micron rating) while still having acceptable oil flow for the everymans vehicle. IDK about the AFE

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Char Baby
Originally Posted By: nleksan
Not to sidetrack, but how does a K&N HP-7007 compare to either Wix or P1? How about equivalent AFE?


My understanding is that, K&N oil filters are designed to trap larger micron particles of dirt as in racing applications or modified car where oil flow is everything under those extreme conditions. I could be wrong!

Where as WIX and P1 are designed to trap more dirt(smaller micron rating) while still having acceptable oil flow for the everymans vehicle. IDK about the AFE


The efficiency rating for the K&N filters is on-par IIRC with the Mobil 1 filters. It is quite high.

 

[johnachak]

Originally Posted By: TravsRam
Originally Posted By: volk06
P1 are also built in USA while wix has moved some to other countries.


I promise you, any Wix filter you buy is made in USA.


Absolutely not true. The cartridge filter Wix makes for the GM 2.2L is made in Korea. I bought one, and I can't bring myself to use it.