No it was released under General Motors as the GM EV1. I had to look that up. I actually posted it as Chevrolet and then had to look it up because I wasn't confident in my answer. It could have been political, but won't pretend to know what actually did it. I do remember leases were the only way to get one and they wouldn't let anyone actually purchase them. The story I remember was that it was experimental and the lease process allowed them to gather data and effectively test the cars as a consumer would instead of trying to do some more controlled simulated testing. I think all but a couple were crushed and none are in private hands these days.
Why ICE is here to stay for some time?
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It was specifically GM badged but went through Saturn dealers for distribution and service. And they were only available via lease without a purchase option at the end of the lease. I'd been in one before, which was a lease by an employee of a power utility. The subsidy by the employer made it basically free.
It was based off of the prototype GM Impact, which was possibly the worst ever name for a car.
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This^
Me too.
Yep, once everyone has a cold fusion reactor in the glovebox all our problems will be solved.
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I wasn't speaking about EV's, just in general. Power tools for example, remote control cars...etc, there was a massive leap in capability when they went from NiCad (and NiMH) to Lithium-based batteries because of their superior characteristics.
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Ahhhh, the old "fusion" solution, it's coming, it's only ever 10 years away
Yeah, arbitrage, they are hedging on power prices going up and being able to make more with the battery than what it cost. I expect it's also being used for FCAS.
The problem will still be battery longevity with that kind of rate of recharge I suspect. Remember the Tesla Supercharging limit?
I posted some solid state info in the Toyota thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/toyota-bev-announcement.370024/page-8#post-6524429
Or something like a fuel cell
Until something new comes along in our lifetime gasoline will always be the majority for our lifetimes
You always posted that both batteries are lithium and in this respect I was a victim of the media. Most publications point out Solid State vs Lithium batteries but they are both lithium batteries. You pointed this out a long time ago. I still use the same words as its less to type and when I mention them now its more out of the supposed to be advancement of shorter recharge time though as of the moment we are only talking about 35% less time, still not the same as filling up with gasoline. They are also in theory to last longer.Ahhhh, the old "fusion" solution, it's coming, it's only ever 10 years away
Yeah, arbitrage, they are hedging on power prices going up and being able to make more with the battery than what it cost. I expect it's also being used for FCAS.
The problem will still be battery longevity with that kind of rate of recharge I suspect. Remember the Tesla Supercharging limit?
I posted some solid state info in the Toyota thread:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/toyota-bev-announcement.370024/page-8#post-6524429
I have seen some reading (which I do very little on this subject) of other metals that maybe used as the cathode/anode.
Here is the first very short post I saw using the words "solid state - lithium battery". I wasnt much into the tech side of it and all I was reading was solid state vs lithium ... the media at work again... Im surprised it even got me, Im typically skeptical.
I saw in other stories that solid state batteries already exist in miniature electronics such as heart implants ex. pacemakers and ICDs of which a family member has the latest newest combination unit of the two mentioned. Here is the first story I saw it referred to as "solid state lithium battery"
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...ign-long-lasting-solid-state-lithium-battery/
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Yup, we've used them for many years, it's the duty cycle and application here that's the issue, not necessarily the technology.
You just made one of my points! Please read what you wrote, you can also read that as we send the cart down the road and we let the horse chase it. The simple fact is no matter how much the party in power or the environmental conscious want it wind and solar are not ever going to make enough electricity to supply the worlds second largest manufacturing economy (the worlds largest is building more and more and more gas and coal plants), theory and reality are two different things.
BTW --- BACK TO MY ELECTRIC CO-OP, besides this battery storage at their transmission hubs, I dont have more information on it and at 10 cents kWh Im not interested enough. But I saw mention that we have the option to lease panels from their solar field. It's kind of hard finding out details and not really interested our electric here in our new smaller home near the coast is dirt cheap. We never open or have opened our windows in either home but this new one is super efficient and our bill this past month exactly 50% less.
Air conditioner always "on" and bill was $87 *LOL* I almost feel the wrong house is being metered (LOL) maybe it is but I guess with the new R-15 in the walls and chalking (foam and otherwise) in every single area (during construction and also evidenced in the attic plus certified air infiltration test or something. For another $4 a month credit if we let them control our thermostat to adjust during peak times and will install the a new stat too.
We also have the option to go to peak usage and in return super low off peak rates of something like 4 cents kWh during a significant number of hours at night, then a low mid rate and a high peak rate of 35 cents.. If you have an EV that would be big but 10 cents 24/7 here is like stupid simple for us.
I dont know, something to be said about co-op ownership vs corporate ownership of the grid.
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Yeah, we are offering an ultra low overnight rate here now too, $0.04/kWh.
Lithium-ion has always been rather interesting. It's capable of up to double the capacity if one is willing to give up longevity and possibly safety. It took a lot of development to make it safer, including learning how to taper the charge rate as it approached 100%. They certain learned that in 1995 when Sony had a battery plant fire that took out what was then most of the world's supply of lithium-ion batteries.
I have written in other threads that the answer is nuclear. Other nations, notably France, and Canada as well, have used nuclear power generating plants with great success. This is what I mean by the infrastructure following demand.
Maybe fusion is only ten years away, and is maybe more likely to come to fruition this time then it was when it was ten years away ten years ago?
The EV1 was marketed as a GM model without any car division brand.
It was a demonstration of what could be done at the time and GM was not about to bear the cost of supporting it after the leases under which it was offered ran out.
There is a complete one in the Crawford Museum in Cleveland and it is a handsome little thing.
It was not pursued beyond the 1100 or so built since it was seriously compromised by the battery tech then available.
On the EV1:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/31345...gm-ev1-abandoned-in-an-atlanta-parking-garage
Open the above link. No idea what happened to the car, but it was intact in the wild in 2019.
Not sure about who actually owns it, since I would assume that GM was pretty good in its efforts to track these cars, especially since so few were made.
Francis Ford Coppola is rumored in the linked article to have one in his possession.
In intact running form these must be among the rarest cars in the world.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/31345...gm-ev1-abandoned-in-an-atlanta-parking-garage
Open the above link. No idea what happened to the car, but it was intact in the wild in 2019.
Not sure about who actually owns it, since I would assume that GM was pretty good in its efforts to track these cars, especially since so few were made.
Francis Ford Coppola is rumored in the linked article to have one in his possession.
In intact running form these must be among the rarest cars in the world.
If there was anything like it (lease without any option to purchase) today, it would likely be bricked by the manufacturer. But it's effectively bricked anyways.
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