Why haven't gas prices gone down?

Gas prices will go down when we haul Maduro in.

Exxon will expand operations via shell companies to Venezuela and everyone in the investors blog will all be talking about their portfolios going to the moon!
 
I bought $40 of propane. When I got the bill it was $80+ with all the fees and taxes they added. Crazy.
 
Gas prices will go down when we haul Maduro in.

Exxon will expand operations via shell companies to Venezuela and everyone in the investors blog will all be talking about their portfolios going to the moon!
There are a few countries that are screwing up oil production in a dramatic way. Venezuela is one, with all the corruption that permeates the oil industry in that area. Even though they have pretty large reserves, and are finding more, the drilling and production side is cursed due to that countries "inefficiencies", as it has been for the last 10-15 years.
Russia is the other country in question. Western allies are convincing everybody to turn away from Russian oil, with only China and India among the big consumers willing to take the risks in buying boycotted and heavily discounted Russian petroleum . Additionally the Ukrainians have done a good job in hurting the Russian oil business, and this appears to be trending upwards.: at this time I believe short term Russian revenue from oil is down about 20% in about 1-2 months when taking only Ukrainian drone attacks as a cause, which is a huge decrease. I found it unusual that the Saudis declared a boost in production when demand did not justify the increase, but its fairly easy to explain- they are helping the anti-Russian nations by depressing the price , and putting further downward pressure on the Russian economy, or acting as a buffer in case the Russian oil exports completely dried up.
Personally, I do not see much changing in the next 1-2 years in the Venezuelan region , unless they invade Guyana (unlikely with US showing increased interest in the region) or screw around with Brazil. Guyana gets them long-term reserves but hurts them geopolitically, so it might take 10+ years to see any benefit. Russia on the other hand risks economic collapse in the near term, cutting off funding for their war and suffering a humiliating defeat. When Russian oil hits the free market you may see a dramatic drop in oil prices, but their infrastructure is taking such a severe blow that this could be 5+ years away.
 
Exxon will expand operations via shell companies to Venezuela and everyone in the investors blog will all be talking about their portfolios going to the moon!
I forgot to mention this - investing in Venezuelan oil is extraordinarily risky. You are more likely to have have your stuff nationalized or confiscated in some made-up scandal , than to turn a profit. And without western oil technology and equipment it is darn difficult to even increase production on proven reserves, much less new discoveries. China might risk it, but it seems unlikely.
 
Gas prices will go down when we haul Maduro in.

Exxon will expand operations via shell companies to Venezuela and everyone in the investors blog will all be talking about their portfolios going to the moon!
Venezuela has the world's largest reserves but there fields have been completely abused with no investment. They produce only about 25% of what they did at their peak. Much of it is likely fixable but who is going to pour billions into Venezuela? Last time off-shore companies did that it was nationalized out from under them.
 
No, everything else did not "skyrocket". Inflation is just 2.7% - 2.9%, not 9%+ like is was months ago.
Someone tell that to my local grocery stores because red meat has indeed skyrocketed, sandwich meats, milk and fruits as well. When a small pack of sandwich turkey slices jumps from $7.50 to $10 in a span if a few weeks...that's pretty much the definition of skyrocket. (Same pack we've always bought).
Eggs have come down a bit as has gas. Motor oil has held steady.
 
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What's the overhead of selling gasoline that the public never thinks about?

Besides the price the stations pay for it, theres some fairly high priced systems that have a finite life.

Those underground tanks age out, and when they do, its a major cost to replace them.

Theres dispensing terminals including filters and breakaway hose with auto shutoff and the dispensing nozzle, taxes, insurance, personall, electric, fire suppression systems, inspections, and probably a few things I missed.

I know that after the tanks age out, replacing them is a major project. Two big stations with convince store, each took the entire lot down to dirt and started from scratch including the convince store building.

So, they have to average all those cost into each sale also.
 
It's obscene. Oil price is in the low $60s per barrel, yet gas prices are around where they were a few years ago with oil price over $100. No new refineries and business-hostile states forcing existing refineries to close is a dream come true for big oil companies. Massive profits for them while us suckers pay. The only way out of this vicious spiral is for some brave new company to build a new refinery but I'm not holding my breath. The existing giants reap the profits from existing operations, they have no interest in building themselves and will use the full power of their lobby to put up insurmountable barriers for any would-be newcomers.
 
It's obscene. Oil price is in the low $60s per barrel, yet gas prices are around where they were a few years ago with oil price over $100. No new refineries and business-hostile states forcing existing refineries to close is a dream come true for big oil companies. Massive profits for them while us suckers pay. The only way out of this vicious spiral is for some brave new company to build a new refinery but I'm not holding my breath. The existing giants reap the profits from existing operations, they have no interest in building themselves and will use the full power of their lobby to put up insurmountable barriers for any would-be newcomers.
It’s not big oil even though everyone likes to blame them.

Big oil goes out and searches for oil, drills it out of the ground, moves it to the refinery and refines it, then moves it to your local distribution depot for about $2 a gallon. All those things cost billions in capital up front, which may not even pay out.

Then your local gas station tacks $1 on to it because they have "costs" but we still blame big oil. :ROFLMAO:

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Everyone likes to hate on big oil but the local rip off center is just the nice little guy. Trust me, Sheetz, QT or Pilot are not little guys. Do you think they put no margin on gasoline and then put 300% on a soda?
 
It's obscene. Oil price is in the low $60s per barrel, yet gas prices are around where they were a few years ago with oil price over $100. No new refineries and business-hostile states forcing existing refineries to close is a dream come true for big oil companies. Massive profits for them while us suckers pay. The only way out of this vicious spiral is for some brave new company to build a new refinery but I'm not holding my breath. The existing giants reap the profits from existing operations, they have no interest in building themselves and will use the full power of their lobby to put up insurmountable barriers for any would-be newcomers.
They make money from crude oil - gasoline is just a low risk/low profit stream.
Why do you think all the rich guys are within the independents and transportation side - and can sip scotch, smile, and watch you guys bash the majors …
 
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I’ve always believed this is a market that’s not hard to manipulate. It isn’t simply supply and demand.

In 1999, in PA, gas prices: 99 cents, $1.099, $1.199.

10 cents difference between 87/87/93

Across the River in NJ? 20 cents cheaper.

One day, Katrina hit, 20 years ago.

First time it went over $3.

$3.099, $3.199, $3.299

Across the River? 20 cents less.

The above to me signifies the ability to set pricing.

It has also ring true with taxes. If NJ got a new tax, and PA did not? PA prices also went up and yes, same differential as pre NJ tax.

The spread between states isn’t any longer 20 cents, it’s closer to 40, sometimes 20.

Also the spread between grades isn’t 10 cents, and some have eliminated 89. Some like Wawa (tricky) 93. I personally avoid unbranded gasoline.

And premium is not substituted easily the way it was in 1999. Today many 4 cyl vehicles actually use it, as do their drivers especially if they own the vehicle.

So why doesn’t it go down, it doesn’t need to. But we go to costco in NJ to try to do our best on buying 93.
 
What happens to the oil drilling industry in Texas if crude oil goes and stays cheap to make gasoline cheap how we all want it?
 
What happens to the oil drilling industry in Texas if crude oil goes and stays cheap to make gasoline cheap how we all want it?
They haven't been drilling as much in the shale fields in a while. You can look up US rig counts by week all the way back to 2011. When those fields were being formed from like 2015-2019 rig counts were over 1000 consistently. Its been about half that during the pandemic and has not gone back up. Shale wells only produce for about 1 to 3 years depending on the well. Lots of predictions that were currently at peak US oil again or getting close in the next couple years without increased drilling.

https://www.aogr.com/web-exclusives/us-rig-count/2025
 
I've mentioned this before, but around here, it's called "the Speedway effect". That chain more or less controls the pricing and when they adjust up or down, there's a trickle effect of neighboring stations following suit.
I was going to say the same thing, and don't forget their weekly reset. In my area it's usually Wednesday. I'll check the Speedway app for prices and suddenly, every station on the list is the exact same price. In a day or two certain stations will start to drift down and the rest will follow. Until the following week's reset where the process starts over again.
 
I was going to say the same thing, and don't forget their weekly reset. In my area it's usually Wednesday. I'll check the Speedway app for prices and suddenly, every station on the list is the exact same price. In a day or two certain stations will start to drift down and the rest will follow. Until the following week's reset where the process starts over again.
Charleston is Friday. Big jump Friday morning. I guess everyone gets paid Friday. Also tourists. Monday it’s Less again.
 
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