Why don't you use Linux ?

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At my work we have to use an older version of Java (7.0!) under Win 7 to interface with some equipment they're no longer upgrading firmware on.

We get queried no less than 4 times if we really, really want to run this unsigned applet, upgrade, yadda yadda.

Yet Windows still gets viruses by the truckload.

I run ubuntu except for Taxact-- which I could run under Wine or in the cloud if I cared.
 
Windows is a solid platform that is nearly universal. I still write and sell an application for one of our businesses, and I have yet to come across a client that has anything but Windows. I don't have to worry about multiple "flavors" of Windows so I can focus on a single quality product. What I write on Windows 7 will also work on Windows 8 and Windows 10 with no problems.

Linux seems to be a mishmash of various distributions, all of which have their "fan-boys", and the entire concept has a feral, tribal feel to it. As far as desktop computing, I don't ever see it becoming truly mainstream. That being said, as I understand it there are a lot of other devices that do utilize the Linux kernel, and it seems to be better suited to being a background kernel with someone else's interface on top.
 
I tried to go back to Linux a few years ago, but I'm just not interested anymore. Back in college, sure, I liked it, and wanted to run it. These days, after spending hours on the computer, if I want to surf the web I just want something that turns on. No interest in learning how to use, maintain, etc.
 
Originally Posted By: Fsharp
It's not about what you can't do with Linux. It's that most people aren't willing to go out of their way to run it when Windows/Android/iOS is already loaded on the device when they buy it.


Not only that, but trying to use Linux when you're used to using an OS like windows is like trying to understand a foreign language with no prior training...it's a very different operating system to use....
 
I tried Mint in my Virtual Machine for personal usage. Its okay however updating FireFox does not make any sense. For home usage I don't want to feel like I am working to make the machine work.
 
Originally Posted By: FastGame
One thing that fascinates me are people and their home computers and the OS they choose. Everyday people are happy as a lark using their I phones, Android phones, I pads, Samsung pads. Mention the word Linux OS on the home computer and these same people freeze and go into shock, why ?


I think the answer to your question lies in the question itself. All of the Linux-based platforms you mentioned have highly polished user interfaces and the backing of very large multi-national corporations. The user experience is smooth, bugs (for the most part) are found and squashed in large multi-tiered testing protocols. Software programmers are highly skilled, highly paid, and are accountable to the company for which they work. The company can set a development direction and go there.

Open source stuff is great, but there are certainly both pros and cons. Testing regimes are not as deep as you'll find with for-profit corporations and, while they are generally highly skilled, programmers and developers are often not paid and they're not accountable to any one organization. The "way ahead" can seem foggy and ill-defined. Linux has been forked in hundreds or thousands of directions. No causal end user can attempt to keep up with it. The popular fork today may be yesterday's news tomorrow.

I have Edubuntu on an old laptop, and it works. It's sort of clunky, generally doesn't perform any better or worse than Windows 7 on that machine, and suffers from driver compatibility problems (wireless Broadcom NIC). With the help of BITOG, I worked through it (relevant thread). I don't use this computer very often, though, and really only hold on to it because it works and I hate to get rid of it.

I like to say that I use it all. From Microsoft, we have a personal desktop running W10, a personal laptop running W10, and my work laptop running W8.1. From Apple, my wife's iPhone and iPad run the latest iOS version. My old iPhone 4s serves as a Pandora-playing device for our daughters. We used to have an iMac, but didn't like OS X and we sold it, but we gave it an honest 1+ year test drive. I have an Android phone running KitKat 4.4.4, a Chromebook running Chrome OS, and the one Edubuntu laptop.

My preference, going forward, is to not focus on the operating system, but the accessibility it offers. I frankly don't care whether the OS is Linux, Windows, OS X, Chrome OS, or anything else. As Jobs used to say, the interface should blend into the background and let the content move forward. While he was obviously peddling Apple's line of software, it's a concept that applies to anyone...use whatever you like to use and that's easy for you to use. We're so used to Windows and how it works that Windows really disappears and lets us do the things we want to on the computer. It's the household equivalent of an appliance -- it just WORKS.

I guess that's a good segue to the natural automotive analogy, here. To a goodly number of people, what they drive just doesn't matter, and as long as they get from Point A to Point B, they're happy with just about anything. Those people are happy in family sedans like Camrys or Accords or Malibus. To others, getting from Point A to Point B is, well, the point, and they enjoy M3s and RX-8s and Camaros and Mustangs. The real tinkerers, meanwhile, are building and driving rat rods and kit cars, never happy with "mainstream". And it's all good. Each side looks at the others wondering, "how could they possibly be happy with that?"

It's all just personal preference.
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Windows is a solid platform that is nearly universal. I still write and sell an application for one of our businesses, and I have yet to come across a client that has anything but Windows. I don't have to worry about multiple "flavors" of Windows so I can focus on a single quality product. What I write on Windows 7 will also work on Windows 8 and Windows 10 with no problems.

Linux seems to be a mishmash of various distributions, all of which have their "fan-boys", and the entire concept has a feral, tribal feel to it. As far as desktop computing, I don't ever see it becoming truly mainstream. That being said, as I understand it there are a lot of other devices that do utilize the Linux kernel, and it seems to be better suited to being a background kernel with someone else's interface on top.


YOu are maintaining a Legacy app so it makes sense. I concur that Linux as user experience is fan boys. However as a back end server Windows makes absolutely no sense except for legacy work. I am an enterprise architect that produces responsive business web applications that are platform agnostic to the user.

The only linux experience I have liked is my 10 yr old daughters ChromeBook. It boots cold in about 3 seconds and runs Chrome and its web applications with ease in $110 notebook. I tried the windows 10 version of the same hardware and it was garbage compared to Chrome OS as it lacked the "HP" to run Win 10 bloat.
 
I have been using computers since i was 5 years old in the age of MS-DOS 2.0 and had plenty of experience editing config.sys and autoexec.bat files. Do I want to make time to remember unix/linux command line names that have NOTHING to do with their intended purpose? Absolutely not.

99.9995% of computer users do not care about the systemic layer upon layer of nonsense that makes it tick.

In short, Linux for me has been an afterthought best reserved for business applications, not as a personal machine.
 
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Running a Long Term Support version of Ubuntu, if I have an issue, I can google the answer. Sure there are some cut & paste command lines but I forget them as soon as I type them so it's not much mental overhead.
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Then, having performed the operation once, my puter behaves for me.
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When you need to run a "certain" application (not your usual office apps or web browsing), they always seemed to run only on Windows and not Linux.
 
The bottom line for ~90% of users is if it's not installed on the computer when they buy it, they won't install it on the computer once they get it.

If you want to see a mass user base, you'll have to have Linux based machines available at BestBuy et al.

Until that happens, it will primarily be hobbyists and enthusiasts who use it.
 
My time is worth much more than to waste it messing around with putting another operating system of my computer when Windows 7 and now 10 at running just fine.
 
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
My time is worth much more than to waste it messing around with putting another operating system of my computer when Windows 7 and now 10 at running just fine.


I used to be a nerd, and would argue with you until Mom told me to get off the computer so she could use it. But now, as an adult, I agree.
 
Originally Posted By: FastGame
... what is it that you do on the home computer that can't be done better/safer using Linux ?
Security recording software and Solidworks are two apps I need. I've sampled Linux since 1992 and never taken a complete liking to it. There has always been something that makes me give up on it.
 
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
Security recording software and Solidworks are two apps I need.

Well, at least on the IP camera side of things, I run them on Ubuntu, yet was told it couldn't be done.
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Security cameras are something you don't want crashing. Why anyone would do it in Windows is beyond me.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Well, at least on the IP camera side of things, I run them on Ubuntu...
Are the capabilities and options equivalent to Blue Iris on Windows? Mine setup has run 24/7 for over a year without any issues on Windows.
 
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