Why aren't penalties stiffer for people who drive without a valid license/registration/insurance?

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I think it is well worth an individual's time to research current and past lawless societies. The benefits and pitfalls of no enforcement of laws. Ample amount of research papers readily available on the internet on the freedoms and pitfalls of a lawless society.
Our country made it about ~150 years without insurance of any kind on the vast majority of citizens.

Insurance shouldn’t be a legal issue when no damage is done.

As I stated in every case the more screws you pull to force insurance the fewer people that are insured and the more cost associated.

One individual was talking of the more draconian laws that basically shift “liability “ to someone uninsured even if they have no fault in the accident. And pull their license and possible jail time.

My state does similar and all that accomplished is making individuals who lack a license and have no possibility of buying insurance at all that are still on road.
Jailing on this issue costs the state far more than the damage from the accident and we already have no room for more prisoners as we’ve filled them with minor infractions that basically become permanent wards of the state.

The reality is that the percentage of insured vehicles is paradoxically the highest when insurance isn’t mandatory as insurance costs are almost always much lower so you get more organic buy in.

Many upper/middle class people are a few months away from an inability to pay car insurance if anything out of the ordinary happens, just the reality.

This is also why making title/registrations into a profit center instead of just a notary service is a bad idea.

Insurance and registration compliance always tracks cost, legal or not. This is why trying to fund roads off registrations has not really worked in this state.

Public transportation or ??? Other doesn’t really exist in most of the country.
 
Empathy and critical thinking are definitely a skillset law enforcement professionals should have.

In 1980 at age 16, my best friend in high school was on a first date. He was driving his Dad's 1970s era Volvo sedan, likely a four cylinder. My best friend was honest, loyal, super smart, STEM, never in trouble in his life. His Dad was a lifer engineer at International Harvester. His Dad also raced VWs in organized parking lots events. In addition, his Dad commuted in his motorcycle year-round, regardless of weather. A STEM family, very law-abiding people. Also motorheads.

On his first date, my buddy was driving down main street, at age 16, on a Tuesday night. He was speeding, but not excessively. Local LE went to pull him over, and something in his brain went wacky- this 16-year-old that never broke a law, nothing decided to flee and elude. For zero reason.

My best friend was quickly apprehended. Everyone has a bad day, and everyone makes errors in judgments, regardless of a person's values and ethics. It was likely a good thing my friend experienced this. I am sure it was a lifelong lesson. And I am confident he never committed another felony.
I am generally referring to society. We lately suffer from lack of empathy, driven by “the other guy is at fault for my problems.”
LEO are derived from larger society, same like military, etc. “They all” live among us and we live among them.
 
I mean we all know here that you are exemplary citizen that made it on its own, never went over speed limit, didn’t role through atop sign, always met all vehicle technical requirements necessary by the law etc. We can’t be you! So, give people some slack.
In reality, some people lose job, have to pay mortgage, buy diapers, food and sometimes they are short on funds. Everyone deserves some empathy. Don’t be that person. You have been there, you just forgot that someone somewhere was empathetic to you.
Fine, if this happens, and the person can't afford what's required to drive legally, then don't drive...I have no empathy for people who willingly break the law...and I don't expect any if I'm caught breaking the law...
 
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I've driven without insurance, just wasn't caught is all.
It was long ago, my ex girlfriend and I were washing my car in her parents driveway, and I noticed the sticker on the plate expired about 6 weeks before.
It happens, not ALL of us are 100% perfect!
I'm sure that in my 29 years of being on this spinning rock, I've made thousands of mistakes.
Pretty sure I'll make thousands more to!
Making a mistake is excusable. People who continue driving illegally, when they've been caught doing the exact same thing before is a different story...
 
I am generally referring to society. We lately suffer from lack of empathy, driven by “the other guy is at fault for my problems.”
LEO are derived from larger society, same like military, etc. “They all” live among us and we live among them.
Your idea of empathy seems to be that violators should be allowed to get away with anything...
 
I thought it was only Phila., and granted I have not read through the 5 pages of posts. Here in Philly, who knows what the % is but likely 35%+ vehicles have no reggie, no licensed driver, no inspection, no insurance, and limo tints. I do scratch my head and say how is this even possible in 2025? It's like the Bronx NY in 1977 here.

Every day I make a left turn onto 76E. I'm in line in the proper lane. Cars cut us off from both the right and left. Those on the left? Are on the trolley tracks with trolleys coming head on. But, they know the trolley can't do anything except honk a horn that can barely be heard.

I think one way to start combating this problem is to remove the vehicle code that says cars are not stopped for no registration nor illegal tints (there are no legal tints whatsoever in PA, as in none, for the windshield and front windows--yet as mentioned, 35%+ of cars have them, including my buddy who is highly judgemental about everything. I once delicately approached the topic and he said no one has told me that I can't have them--I just did lol).

I'll admit something--this pisses me off so much, I decided to choose 1/3 of my cars, and drive around for 1 year without a valid inspection, to prove my point. My car had no issue passing. I am the kid who puts the hand on the stove to prove that the gas flame isn't as hot as propane would be. I never even came close to being stopped. Now, there was one time last summer there was a checkpoint on the Main Line (suburbs). I was driving my wife's SUV so no problem. I have since inspected the said vehicle.
 
Your idea of empathy seems to be that violators should be allowed to get away with anything...
My wife has a friend who works part time at Target. They have a lot of empathy. people walk in, and walk out with merchandise. They are forbidden to do anything, and if they were to video it, I think they are fired for showing such a tone deaf lack of empathy.

I heard CA has a new proposition that shocked thieves during the new year
 
Lots of complaining from people who offer no solution and demonize the poor or struggling people
It wouldn't solve the problem - because criminals don't follow the law anyway, but you could make it "in conjunction with". ie if you get rear ended and just don't have your papers in order, its a small fine. If you commit an infraction and your papers are not in order you get the book thrown at you.

But again, the criminals don't follow the law, and the jails are full. So no one in power has a solution and would rather sweep it under the rug.

It also wouldn't help the victims either. Like in @dnewton3 son's case. His son was a victim. If the criminal had been locked up forever, it still does not help the victim's situation.
 
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I agree that people that are convicted of a given crime should pay some type of penalty. Jails everywhere are overcrowded, so that means new jails would need to be built. That costs money, so where do you think the powers that be are going to get that money?. So, who's in favor of paying more taxes to build new Jails?. Don't forget there has to be people to work in those new jails. As far as insurance goes, I believe most if not all states. force owners of cars to carry some. Not necessarily what's needed to cover damage they might have caused. I say that because when a guy that turned left in front of me was found to be at fault in my accident, but didn't have enough property damage insurance to cover the cost of my motorcycle. He only carried $5,000 for property damage. That probably isn't enough to cover the cost of minor damage to your brand new vehicles fender, or door. So now your insurance has to kick in the rest. Not having enough money to cover what could possibly happen on the road has to be the reason there are so many hit and runs. They would rather take the chance of not getting caught, then pay the costs. I don't see any answer to any of these issues that work for the public in general. Apparently no one in charge does either.,,,
 
Your idea of empathy seems to be that violators should be allowed to get away with anything...
You need a pragmatic view.

You seem to think people neatly sort into two categories, "good" and "evil."

There's more nuance. What about the single mother with a mildly disabled child, who has to go to doctors appointments every week. She works a 32 hour job, shares an apartment, goes to a food pantry, is supposed to be getting child support but the dad took off. The options available aren't "good", just "less bad." Take her car away and put her in jail, then who takes care of the kid? Who pays half the roommates rent? Who covers for her at work? She's contributing to society, mostly, as best she can, but is a fender bender away from insolvency.

So what do we do? Maybe have a better safety net, have jobs provide mandatory sick leave? Universal healthcare? We'd pay in taxes what we're paying in insurance. There will always be givers and takers, just like there will always be people above- and below-average in their abilities to navigate modern society. Provide a fertile ground and most "takers" will be able to move into, or at least towards, the "giver" category.
 
It wouldn't solve the problem - because criminals don't follow the law anyway, but you could make it "in conjunction with". ie if you get rear ended and just don't have your papers in order, its a small fine. If you commit an infraction and your papers are not in order you get the book thrown at you.

But again, the criminals don't follow the law, and the jails are full. So no one in power has a solution and would rather sweep it under the rug.

It also wouldn't help the victims either. Like in @dnewton3 son's case. His son was a victim. If the criminal had been locked up forever, it still does not help the victim's situation.

I guess it depends on who we're trying to describe. For constant criminals most definitely. I'm thinking more of a person who's already struggling and down on their luck with income, maybe for a few months, maybe for different issues and still needs to get to work to pay their bills and feed their family.
 
Your idea of empathy seems to be that violators should be allowed to get away with anything...
As usual, you assume too much. As they say, assumption is mother of all screwups.
Huge majority of people doesn’t wake up thinking how to break the law. Human beings are imperfect. They forget, do dumb stuff, come to position that have to make tough choices.
You are painting everyone with the same brush.
 
I have two further comments. I'll speak to Indiana, where I was a LEO, but I suspect these are similar across the USA and possibly other countries. (Similar is not the "same", but close ...)

1st topic:
Regarding license status -
There's a big difference between the several conditions of license status.
- fully licensed and "valid" (means you have the proper license for your driving condition and it's not otherwise inhibited; normal, CDL, etc)
- expired only means that your previously valid license has overrun it's period of effect
- suspended means your driving privileges are revoked; you are not supposed to drive (by law there were two classes; suspended vs suspended-with-prior-conviction)
- never had a license; means you never went to the BMV to open a file and get a permit or license

Each condition has a different approach from an officer's POV. Here's how things were generally handled through my agency. As always, your attitude may have some say in how you were treated. I will defend these actions fervently because I believe they are a balance of empathy for all vs a concern for legalities.
- Valid licenses were obviously not a problem.
- An "expired" license would only get a warning if the expiration was less than 30 days. If over 30 days, then you'd get a ticket. And we would not tow your car.
- Suspended licenses actually were going to get you a citation. If your suspension was administrative (by the BMV) then you'd get a ticket. However, if your suspension was "with a prior conviction" then you were ticketed AND arrested (it was part of the statute). Either way, if there was another person in the car with a valid license, we'd typically allow the other person to drive the car away to avoid a towing charge. If not, well, that's your fault and your car was getting towed. (I lost track of how many times I wrote a ticket to a suspended male driver and yet there was a female in the car with a valid license. The hubris of some men just overrides their common sense.)
- Never had a license means you are going to jail in addition to getting a citation; class C misdemeanor. It was enforced at our agency, but admittedly not all departments do so.




2nd topic: driving a vehicle w/o a proper valid license
For a long time, the state of IN did not have a requirement for people who ride motor scooters (not the same a motor cycles) to have a license. And this actually became a fairly big issue, because just about every person who had a suspended license ended up on a scooter. The streets were littered with motor scooters. The problem is that scooters are a tad slow relative to vehicular traffic. Scooters caused some minor traffic flow problems. And then people started to complain and so the legislature then created a new law that required a valid license for the operation of a scooter.

I, for one, prefer the non-license requirement for scooters. I'll explain why, and I'll warn you that my position is a very rough, tough outlook on life, so be prepared for some harsh reality ...
When a person lost their privilege to drive (suspended license, or never had a license at all), they could get onto a scooter and "drive" (ride) to work, to the market, etc without a license. And though these vehicles were a bit of a PITB to faster cars, the risks these vehicles posed were minimal. Think about it ... a 400 lb scooter with a 200 lb person on it really is no match for a 5000 lb SUV. And believe it or not, those folks on the scooters were really darn careful not to do stupid things because if they got into an accident, they would be dead or maimed horribly. If a full size pickup or minivan hits a guy/gal on a scooter, the laws of physics prevail. And so the scooter folks were VERY careful not to cause problems (other than the limitations of speed of the scooters by nature of low power). Even if there were an accident, the damage a scooter did to a car or truck was minimal; maybe a fender replacement, etc.

Once Indiana started requiring licenses for operation of scooters, those folks couldn't get a "valid" status because of their "suspension", so they could not legally operate a scooter. And so what did they do? They got right back into cars and drove large vehicles again. You see, the "requirement" to have a valid license to operate a scooter couldn't be attained by a suspended driver, and so that suspended driver might as well break the law in a car versus on a scooter.

I, for one, was happy that unlicensed and suspended drivers were on scooters BECAUSE THEY POSED A LOWER THREAT TO OTHERS. They were a lower risk to cause accidents because a person on a scooter is REALLY CAREFUL not to cause a problem when facing a soccer mom in her SUV.

It's the law of natural selection ... I'd rather a stupid idiot kill himself on a scooter than kill a family if he's driving a large vehicle.

But the law of unintended consequences reared its ugly head. While the "intent" was to get suspended drivers off of scooters (which it did), the unintended result was that those same suspended drivers went right back to driving cars.

The best compromise would be to let suspended drivers operate small, light scooters and take the risks upon themselves rather than risk the lives of others. I believe the inconveniences of the slower scooters in traffic were a benefit which far outweighed the potential for continued major damage that careless/reckless people cause when driving large vehicles.

Yes, that's my cold-hearted point of view, and I stand by it; let the people who make poor life decisions take greater risks.
 
In Connecticut, a sanctuary state for illegal aliens, the regime in charge feels increasing the penalty for no registration/no insurance would unfairly impact these welcome guests who don't believe in it.
 
As usual, you assume too much. As they say, assumption is mother of all screwups.
Huge majority of people doesn’t wake up thinking how to break the law. Human beings are imperfect. They forget, do dumb stuff, come to position that have to make tough choices.
You are painting everyone with the same brush.
Do you have the same empathy for habitual law breakers? They're probably poor as well. They have the same opportunities as everyone else (maybe even more if they fit into the DEI category), but they choose to take the criminal road because it's the path of least resistance...
 
Do you have the same empathy for habitual law breakers? They're probably poor as well. They have the same opportunities as everyone else (maybe even more if they fit into the DEI category), but they choose to take the criminal road because it's the path of least resistance...
Habitual offenders end up on criminal justice system. You are assuming they don’t. Repeat offenders are nothing new.
You absolutely have no idea what are you talking about.
Habitual or regular folk. They are not guilty of your issues. Find some hobby.
 
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