Why aren't penalties stiffer for people who drive without a valid license/registration/insurance?

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What happens near me I feel is wrong. Seems that every time LEOs get into a pursuit of anyone who flees at high speed (most end up in bad crashes of the fleeing vehicle) the media tries to find every reason on earth to wrong the LEOs no matter the crimes the ones being chased have committed or were wanted already for. Nearly 99.9% of the times it is folks with extensive amounts of prior arrests and active warrants out for them yet all the attention gets aimed at trying to find out something/anything to blame the LEOs for. Hate to go there but it is true and wrong.
 
Police agencies around the US, not all but many, changed policies about starting pursuits when that became known. Now a pursuit in those localities has to be over something serious or violent, such as a murder suspect fleeing.
I think most agencies have abandoned that and went back to pursuing people for anything. A local police department routinely chased shoplifters from the Walmart in their city. One time they stole lipstick. Just imagine if an innocent bystander got hurt .... over lipstick.
I personally think many chases should be avoided unless something serious is going on i.e. kidnapping, shooting, imminent threat. For an expired registration / fake tags etc.
I agree. And no, for those who like to assume, it doesn't mean condoning crime.
a vehicle was traveling through our jurisdiction. There were some really dubious looking low-life dirtbags in the car. Upon seeing the car commit a traffic violation, the officer initiated a stop.
Did the officer know they were "low-life dirtbags" before or after deciding to follow them ? 🤣
 
Dallas passed some amendments to their laws years ago, one of which was to mandate vehicle impoundment, which I'm all for. They don't enforce it. My coworker was hit at an intersection in 2021 by somebody with no license or insurance. Her insurance company couldn't even locate him to attempt to recoup. Vehicle was not impounded, and he just disappeared with no consequences. So between this and the way most idiots on the road drive, is it any wonder car insurance is so high? If everybody that should be paying insurance premiums were paying them, they wouldn't have to charge so much. I say make it in an arrestable offense.
 
I think the op has a misconception.

Wisconsin as an example relatively recently made insurance mandatory. Before it was mandatory despite being drink capital of the world had extremely high numbers of insuranced and moderately reasonable insurance costs.

Once insurance became mandatory the cost of insurance doubled overnight, and registrations dropped and each time as the state has attempted to get more road funding and insurance compliance the actual rate of insurance/ registration drops.

Every state I’m aware of that increases how draconian enforcement of insurance/registration is the net result is always lower compliance, lower collections and a more burdened expensive legal system.

The issue is a simple one, most of the population can’t actually afford the new egregious registration and insurance costs, despite being fully employed and needing a vehicle .

In every case I’ve seen any time people become very financially stressed where they can’t afford necessities
the first “necessities “ to go are always registration and insurance.

When states have cracked down on these unimportant crimes by working poor crushing cars and doing other draconian over-reactions to things that didn’t used to even be legally required the net result is even more non-compliance.

Now that we dug us into the hole of spending billions of dollars punishing minor crimes like insurance/ registration how do we reset to the way things were before these changes?

I understand your point, but counter with the following:

The "rich" are the opposite of the "poor" in your scenario, right? And so isn't it the "rich" who end up paying when the poor people cause accidents? When a person who doesn't have insurance wrecks into my car, I have to use my policy ( the "uninsured/under-insured" rider) to pay for my car to be fixed. So in effect, the poor person is not only inconveniencing me by wrecking my car, but also making MY premium rates go up because he can't/won't pay for his insurance.

This actually happened to my son. A person was fleeing local LEOs and the person smashed into my son at an intersection. No insurance whatsoever. My son's car was totaled. And my son only had medical and liability coverage (it was an older car, and he couldn't afford much other than the "state" minimums). So my son, through no fault of his own, was now without a car and no way to get the unemployed drug addict to pay for it. Even if my son had the "uninsured/under-insured" coverage, it would still be a claim on his policy, thereby having the effect of jacking up HIS rates for the poor decisions of others. Also, my son had two passengers in his car; they all went to the hospital. So my son's medical coverage got maxed out. All this negatively affected his premiums, and NONE of it was his fault. He lost a decent car, and now pays higher insurance costs, all because some "poor" driver hit him.

I tire of this "poor people are the down-trodden and we should excuse their behavior" mentality. I assure you, I'm not "rich", nor is my son. But I do my part to carry my burden and pay my way, and so does he. Just because we have insurance doesn't make us rich. It just means we're responsible citizens.

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Further, there is a difference between mandatory coverages for liability and other costs required by a loan creditor.

The "egregious" costs of insurance are a reflection of the "egregious" cost of vehicles today. The high complexity of vehicles, combined with the scarcity of repair parts due to supply chain issues, makes for very expensive repair costs. So the cost of insurance coverage naturally has risen substantially in the last several years. Do I like my high insurance premiums? Heck no! But I'm not blind to the costs they have to cover. Let's not pretend like the auto insurance industry is the only one to see significant price increases. It's no different than the obscene costs of homeowner's insurance, but hurricanes and wildfires take their toll and the pool of paying clients has to bear the burden.

The alternative is that, without mandatory insurance requirements, the only avenue would be to civilly sue anyone who causes a vehicular accident. Whereas a "rich" person does have assets which could be leveraged, "poor" people have nothing of value by definition. So to let "poor" people drive without insurance means there's really no way to be made whole when they cause accidents. And speaking for my "poor" son, I can tell you that sucks. Why should hard working "poor" people (like my son) who pay for insurance have to also pay the costs when hard working poor people don't "pay their fair share"? I mean, are we saying that poor people don't hit the cars of other poor people? Because it sure happened to my son.

If a "poor" person drives an older, moderate cost vehicle, the liability insurance costs aren't really that much. Most states only "require" liability coverage. The other insurance costs are required when a loan is present, so that the creditor is covered. If a "poor" person isn't driving a two year old BMW or Lexus, then the costs really aren't that bad. The minimum liability standards in most states are manageable.
 
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A friend of mine was stopped, his license had expired 2 days before, and he didn't even realize it.
Cop gave him a $175 ticket, and had his car towed.
I told my friend to dispute it in court, so he did.
Cop pulled a no show, and ticket voided.
If I was a cop, and someone had an expired license, I would just tell them to go renew it.
 
So that's really what it's about: Poor people should be punished for being poor.

Is it okay for poor people to not have insurance and not pay registration if they have a hand-me-down phone (which, like a car, is also an absolute necessity to live in America) or are there some other arbitrary measures that somebody is poor enough to gain your empathy?

How poor do you have to be for the government to not seize what little you have?
Having a smart phone isn't a necessity. Having a valid license, registration, and in states that require it, insurance is a necessity in order to drive...
 
There are 20 to 30M people here who cannot legally have a drivers license. They go to work every day. If they didn't go to work every day there would be more price pressure on labor, and everyone else would make more, and corporate profits would be squeezed.

Now you know why the penalties are basically non existent.
 
Imagine wanting to lock someone up for an expired registration
Lock me up! I just realized the other day the registration on my Sonata has been expired since September. My sister moved out to go live next to ASU and she has the car. Had no idea. Still have to take it to emissions first.

Wait, I thought these were the folks who wanted less government?
 
They don't have the money to pay for registration or insurance, but they can afford to keep replacing vehicles? :ROFLMAO:
The insurance is so exorbitant for these kind of people they skip it. They buy inexpensive vehicles obviously with cash. Financing requires insurance which in turn requires registration.
 
A friend of mine was stopped, his license had expired 2 days before, and he didn't even realize it.
Cop gave him a $175 ticket, and had his car towed.
I told my friend to dispute it in court, so he did.
Cop pulled a no show, and ticket voided.
If I was a cop, and someone had an expired license, I would just tell them to go renew it.
I agree with this. This cop should've just reminded him that his license was expired. I'm only suggesting that repeat offenders (those who are clearly, knowingly driving on a suspended license) should be hammered...
 
Instead of trying to stop people from driving without valid insurance/registration/DL, there should be a way to prevent it in the first place. Public transportation outside of major cities is horrible but people still need to get to work to pay their bills. So how does a person too poor to pay for registration/insurance get to work otherwise if you don't give them a reliable second choice to go to work to become a productive part of society? Otherwise the issue of crime becomes perpetual.
 
I think the op has a misconception.

Wisconsin as an example relatively recently made insurance mandatory. Before it was mandatory despite being drink capital of the world had extremely high numbers of insuranced and moderately reasonable insurance costs.

Once insurance became mandatory the cost of insurance doubled overnight, and registrations dropped and each time as the state has attempted to get more road funding and insurance compliance the actual rate of insurance/ registration drops.

Every state I’m aware of that increases how draconian enforcement of insurance/registration is the net result is always lower compliance, lower collections and a more burdened expensive legal system.

The issue is a simple one, most of the population can’t actually afford the new egregious registration and insurance costs, despite being fully employed and needing a vehicle .

In every case I’ve seen any time people become very financially stressed where they can’t afford necessities
the first “necessities “ to go are always registration and insurance.

When states have cracked down on these unimportant crimes by working poor crushing cars and doing other draconian over-reactions to things that didn’t used to even be legally required the net result is even more non-compliance.

Now that we dug us into the hole of spending billions of dollars punishing minor crimes like insurance/ registration how do we reset to the way things were before these changes?
I totally understand that life isn't always fair. Being poor can be a real burden, and those of us that are blessed, have a moral obligation to help those who are weighted down by the burden of not being able to afford the basics in life.

All that said, imho there is absolutely no excuse to drive without insurance. Should a driver be licensed and a car registered? Yes. Both are important. But unless someone is financially able to make someone else whole, after being in an accident, they need insurance. I realize that cars are all but a necessity, particularly in more rural parts of our country.

I 100% agree with @dnewton3, in that it is not right that my insurance rates are higher, because others drive without insurance. I have to carry Uninsured Motorist on my policy, to protect myself from those who are not responsible enough to care about others. If you can't carry insurance, don't drive. Beg for rides from friends. Get a bicycle. Take an Uber. Get a job close enough to home, that you can walk. But don't drive without insurance.
 
The insurance is so exorbitant for these kind of people they skip it. They buy inexpensive vehicles obviously with cash. Financing requires insurance which in turn requires registration.
Vehicles are still way more expensive to buy than insurance. Drive legal or don't drive. I have no sympathy for people who choose to drive illegally...
 
I agree with this. This cop should've just reminded him that his license was expired. I'm only suggesting that repeat offenders (those who are clearly, knowingly driving on a suspended license) should be hammered...
I believe more and more places are giving LEO's less discretion. They either write the ticket or they don't. My guess is they have no more fun writing it then you do getting it.
 
What happens near me I feel is wrong. Seems that every time LEOs get into a pursuit of anyone who flees at high speed (most end up in bad crashes of the fleeing vehicle) the media tries to find every reason on earth to wrong the LEOs no matter the crimes the ones being chased have committed or were wanted already for. Nearly 99.9% of the times it is folks with extensive amounts of prior arrests and active warrants out for them yet all the attention gets aimed at trying to find out something/anything to blame the LEOs for. Hate to go there but it is true and wrong.
Unfortunately, we live in a time where the media glorifies criminals, and demonizes the police...
 
They don't have the money to pay for registration or insurance, but they can afford to keep replacing vehicles? :ROFLMAO:
Honestly, yes. The working poor typically have a set of expenses like a nest full of baby birds always clamoring for the next available morsel. An insurance bill going unpaid doesn't have the same immediate deleterious effect as not paying rent or buying food or gas. But a missing car means not going to work tomorrow so maybe rent will be late because that check was spent on another $700 car.

Consider yourself fortunate to have made it through life to retirement without having to do this sort of survival math.
 
Honestly, yes. The working poor typically have a set of expenses like a nest full of baby birds always clamoring for the next available morsel. An insurance bill going unpaid doesn't have the same immediate deleterious effect as not paying rent or buying food or gas. But a missing car means not going to work tomorrow so maybe rent will be late because that check was spent on another $700 car.

Consider yourself fortunate to have made it through life to retirement without having to do this sort of survival math.
If they're too poor to be able to drive legally, then they should find another way to get to work. Ride a bike. Carpool. Ride a bus. Walk. Being poor doesn't excuse driving illegally, and like was said by a previous poster, forcing everyone else's insurance to go up...
 
Vehicles are still way more expensive to buy than insurance. Drive legal or don't drive. I have no sympathy for people who choose to drive illegally...
I mean we all know here that you are exemplary citizen that made it on its own, never went over speed limit, didn’t role through atop sign, always met all vehicle technical requirements necessary by the law etc. We can’t be you! So, give people some slack.
In reality, some people lose job, have to pay mortgage, buy diapers, food and sometimes they are short on funds. Everyone deserves some empathy. Don’t be that person. You have been there, you just forgot that someone somewhere was empathetic to you.
 
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