Who else is sick of the over-lighting?

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I hear you. I flash every one of the illegal HID conversions and misused driving/fog lights that blind me. It is not much better if they follow you. I had to switch my rear view mirror to a night mode during the day many times because of that. Makes it more dangerous to drive. I can not see in the rear view mirror or the side mirrors. I wonder what would happen if someone had a mirror in the back of their car to reflect all of that glare back at the offender. (I am not endorsing it BTW)

Many, if not most fog lights that I see are aimed too high as well. There is absolutely no reason to run fogs on a clear day.
 
We run the OEM fogs on the Fit because the OE headlights are basically giant driving lights with 2 pinpoint beams that light up the area directly ahead of the car, with very little side lighting. The fogs put out lots of light to the sides, which is very helpful spotting the deer about to cross the freeway. I've had more deer scares on the freeways around me than I could count. Every light is aimed according to the manual, and there's no glare, as I've verified by driving ahead of it many times.

The folks around me are generally good about dimming their high beams when somebody else approaches. I do flash folks who forget, and they're usually good about turning their brights off.

The headlights on the Buick throw enough light around that there's little need for fogs. The HIR lowbeams and relay harness help greatly there.
 
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
You do know there are politicians out there looking to take away our rights and freedoms of choice...but then it seems you are right there along with them.


That doesn't apply to driving on public roads with other members of the public. Never has, we get a license to USE the roads with the agreement being, to get the license, that the laws are obeyed. This includes not blinding other drivers with the lights. It is not a right. Drive 100mph and tell the officer who stops you, "it was my right, Officer."

I don't see ANY politicians taking away ANY rights, but that is politics, not allowed here BTW.



1. I was simply referrng to the opinion of grampi (and a few others) that driving lights should not be allowed. Just because one does not like driving lamps doesn't mean you can stop others from having them.

2. There is NOTHING wrong with OEM driving lights. They are aimed properly, are not very high wattage and turn off if the high beams are on -- this is all required by law. The REAL problem here is the idiots that install the aftermarket lights that are too bright (I also hate the fake blue eBay HIDS) and mis aimed.

3. If you don't think politicians are not out there trying to take away our rights you are blind. Think gun control, health care, etc..... but I will stay out of politics as well.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: css9450
I own a car that is factory-equipped with "driving lights" but they're aimed so low I can't imagine them blinding anyone. They light up the road immediately in front of the car and that's all. I'm not aware of any aiming adjustment so I doubt they're misaligned.

I think most of the problems stem from lights that are misaligned.


Well, then every vehicle I encounter on the roads that has these lights are misaimed because every one of them is blinding.



If every car w/oem lights are blinding you - than it's YOU. Go see an eye Doctor.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy

2. There is NOTHING wrong with OEM driving lights. They are aimed properly, are not very high wattage and turn off if the high beams are on -- this is all required by law.

Maybe. If fog lights are installed in the bumper--kiss a snow bank in the winter, tweak your OEM fog lights out of alignment and now you are a menace to others. Add to it such mods as "OEM fogs on any time" and there go your "turn off when high beams are on" fogs. It is much more common than you think.
 
Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Originally Posted By: GMBoy

2. There is NOTHING wrong with OEM driving lights. They are aimed properly, are not very high wattage and turn off if the high beams are on -- this is all required by law.

Maybe. If fog lights are installed in the bumper--kiss a snow bank in the winter, tweak your OEM fog lights out of alignment and now you are a menace to others. Add to it such mods as "OEM fogs on any time" and there go your "turn off when high beams are fogs. It is much more common than you think.



Ok. I think you just uncovered the root cause of all this - DRIVER ERROR. Meaning, people do not care and maintain their cars. You hit a snowbank - you should check/adjust your lights. If these people won't even check their oil, a driving light is probably not a thought on their mind either.
 
You are right. That's why I give them a courtesy reminder with my high beams.
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Originally Posted By: JOD

3. Do people get mad about daytime running lights? I had these in my Volvo, and my Freestyle has them, but I have to have the dealer flash them to be operational, since I don't have a 2-way scan tool--which is a bummer. Is this going to make Bitogers cranky?


I had the dealer turn off the DRLs in my 2006 Saab 93. The DRL implementation on that car is just the low beam anyhow, so if I leave the headlight switch on (it turns off with the ignition even if left on), it's just like I have DRLs. The difference is, I can now have the engine running with the lights off.
 
Man, so much miscommunication in here, a lot of it by the OP, Grampi. People who say they run their running lights when they're supposed to, their fog lights when they're supposed to, their DRL's when they're supposed to, etc are being chastised for doing what ever they want; every one else be darned.

Day-time running lights (DRL's) are very dim and are only on during the day. Even if they were both adjustable so that they could point directly at your eyeball during the day, it wouldn't be enough to make you notice. They're there to make the car visible to others, not to illuminate the road ahead nor for foggy conditions.

MOST OEM foglights are mounted very low in the bumper and MOST are pretty worthless WRT foggy-condition illumination. If you're saying that every one of these lights blinds you, then you're thinking of the wrong lights. I very rarely notice OEM foglights that are so out of alignment that they cause anything more than a, "oh, hey, his lights are out of alignment; sucks for him/her." Aftermarket fog lights that people just screw into their bumpers are another story and go along with misaligned headlights in general.

Driving lights are usually mounted at the same level as the headlights or above, and are used, as has been mentioned, to case a very wide, bright beam of light to illuminate everything. While some cars come with this as an OEM feature - does any one know if these, say, on a Mini Cooper are just for show or are they actual driving lights? - most are aftermarket and follow the same rules as misaligned headlights or running with your highbeams on. No one should be driving with driving lights on except in instances where high beams are necessary. I rarely see these installed OEM on cars, so if you're seeing the lights that bother you often, these aren't it, either.

Finally, HID retro kits. In both halogen (non-HID) and HID projector housings there's a little metal tab. Since the projector projects such a fine beam of light with a very sharp cutoff, this tab is used to produce some designed-in glare to illuminate road signs and such. Since halogen (non-HID) lights are not nearly as intense as HID lights, the tab is larger to produce the same amount of necessary glare. The problem arises when some one retro-fits an HID kit or bulb and ballast from another HID car into their non-HID projector housing. The combination of the high intensity light with the larger tabs results in a cutoff that looks normal to the guy installing the kit, but excessive glare to every one else on the road!

Everything else, like I said above, is either people not knowing they're driving with highbeams on, improperly adjusted headlights or some combination of [censored] aftermarket parts with bad alignment.

Again, I haven't read any posts here where some one said they specifically run with their high-beams or driving lights ON while around other cars or in the city, so please stop arguing who aren't doing anything wrong.
 
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
I am sick of being blinded by the over lighting on oncoming cars, and I am fighting back. I light up my brights each and every time I see overlit of blue lights coming at me. I hope it ticks 'em off real good!


If you are doing this to perfectly legal, well aimed HID lights, then I hope you get what's coming to you.


Hey bro! Don't wait for someone to "give me whats coming to me". C'mon down and try YOURSELF!
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit

And no, I won't turn them off just because a few people don't know enough not to look directly into the headlights of oncoming vehicles.


Then don't look into my brights when I LIGHT YOU UP!
 
I have 100w high beams. Particularly useful if you are driving through the Oklahoma Panhandle on a cloudless night. That darkness will just swallow up your headlights.

Fortunately I don't have the need to act like a child and blind the oncoming driver (and myself in fog) who highbeams me because he doesn't like the number of lights on in my headlight housing.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog

Fortunately I don't have the need to act like a child and blind the oncoming driver (and myself in fog) who highbeams me because he doesn't like the number of lights on in my headlight housing.


I don't care what NUMBER of lights anyone has at all. It's the INTENSITY, as in HIGH INTENSITY DISCHARGE into my eyes. Yep, Im gonna light 'em up. If their "HIGH INTENSITY" is supposedly OK, then mine is too.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
You do know there are politicians out there looking to take away our rights and freedoms of choice...but then it seems you are right there along with them.


That doesn't apply to driving on public roads with other members of the public. Never has, we get a license to USE the roads with the agreement being, to get the license, that the laws are obeyed. This includes not blinding other drivers with the lights. It is not a right. Drive 100mph and tell the officer who stops you, "it was my right, Officer."

I don't see ANY politicians taking away ANY rights, but that is politics, not allowed here BTW.



1. I was simply referrng to the opinion of grampi (and a few others) that driving lights should not be allowed. Just because one does not like driving lamps doesn't mean you can stop others from having them.

2. There is NOTHING wrong with OEM driving lights. They are aimed properly, are not very high wattage and turn off if the high beams are on -- this is all required by law. The REAL problem here is the idiots that install the aftermarket lights that are too bright (I also hate the fake blue eBay HIDS) and mis aimed.

3. If you don't think politicians are not out there trying to take away our rights you are blind. Think gun control, health care, etc..... but I will stay out of politics as well.


Understood, since I still don't really know what driving lights are anyway. I have three cars here, all have lo/hi beams, and two have fog lights down low that don't do much of anything. I know at night one out of ten or so cars coming at me blind me badly, so much that I hate to drive at night anymore, even though it is my priviledge to do so, haha. It's aging, but also no doubt to it, the lights are TOO darn bright sometimes.

Driving with my Dad who loved fishing we were always coming back at night. I don't remember any problems seeing the way with plain old non halogen, non hid, sealed beams. People coming the other way were generally courteous about lowering their brights, although not always then either.

As of Jan 1, thanks to health care reform, my health plan has no lifetime maximum, that is a big benefit, no increase in cost this year for me either. I have no problem my rights being taken away like that.
 
I've only been beamed once because of my HIDs. To be fair that guy highbeamed every car with HIDs and a few with factory halogens. I could have lit him back up but I figured that there was already one jerk on the road. Why make it two?

My cutoff line is identical to an Acura TL and a little bit lower than an X5. The cutoff is not as distinct as the TL's but the cuts off at exactly the same place. In addition to that my headlights incorporate a glare shield which looks quite a bit like the semi circular chrome headlight covers they used back in the day.

I have been highbeamed a lot in drizzle or fog with my fogs on. It can't be the glare because they only illuminate the immediate foreground on my car and it happened when I still had the pitiful OE, designed in 1962, H1 halogen bulbs in my car. What happens is that some fool sees 4 lights on in my headlamp and assumes that I am running my highbeams.

But now I'm inspired by you. Oh, you are highbeaming me? Roger that. Returning same. 100 watts apiece.
 
Originally Posted By: Spazdog

But now I'm inspired by you. Oh, you are highbeaming me? Roger that. Returning same. 100 watts apiece.


Hey, don't stop there! Just pull over and get out of your car...we can "discuss" it then!
 
Now now, internet tough guys...

Neither of you guys are arguing about something real...in real life. You're arguing over something neither of you is probably doing. If you're running something illegal and know it, shame on you. If you're running legit, aimed lights, then there is no problem.

As far as the kind who high-beam every single HID on the road, that's ridiculous. He's distracting himself by paying attention to every car on the opposite side of the road instead of paying attention to the traffic around him. I'll admit, the Ebay retro kits are very annoying, but there are very few OEM HID lights that bother me, and I have sensitive baby blues! Seriously, driving at night some times gives me a headache with all the glare and light, but it's just a general thing, and not specific to HID's at all. Poorly aligned HID's, on the other hand, they're the worst!
 
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Now now, internet tough guys...

As far as the kind who high-beam every single HID on the road, that's ridiculous. He's distracting himself by paying attention to every car on the opposite side of the road instead of paying attention to the traffic around him.


Incorrect. I
1)hold up my left hand to block the HID GLARE
2)IMMEDIATELY blast my brights at them until they pass, and
3)until they pass, I look to the right as much as possible

Again, if their HID is "OK", then my brights must be perfectly fine, too. Good medicine for 'em!
 
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Now now, internet tough guys...

As far as the kind who high-beam every single HID on the road, that's ridiculous. He's distracting himself by paying attention to every car on the opposite side of the road instead of paying attention to the traffic around him.


Incorrect. I
1)hold up my left hand to block the HID GLARE
2)IMMEDIATELY blast my brights at them until they pass, and
3)until they pass, I look to the right as much as possible

Again, if their HID is "OK", then my brights must be perfectly fine, too. Good medicine for 'em!


Sounds like you've got a big chip on your shoulder, bud. If every single HID-lighted car out there bothers you and receives this treatment, then you've got issues. If you're doing it to specific cars, then either it's a bad design (Caddie trucks, for instance - they bother me, at least,) an aftermarket light or some one fiddled with the adjustment. I know for a fact that mine cut off lower than most people like, since most people on the STI forum ask how to raise it. What this means is that they'll probably raise it without doing so properly, if it is in fact set incorrectly from the factory. This will either cause excessive shine or flash on-coming traffic over every bump, since our suspensions are very stiff.
Again, if they're properly adjusted, no light, including HID's, should cause even close to excessive glare to on-coming drivers. What about that is incorrect?
 
This thread is ridiculous. For me it's a moot point, I run full headlights+foglights at all times. I don't even think about it anymore, it's instinctive to turn them on. I only ever flash anyone when I'm positive that their high beams are on, and only then occasionally because hey, we all forget now and again that they are on. Especially if they've been on for a while.

I do hate those aftermarket blue tinted lights. Those are blinding and do produce good light. Most HID headlights are actually white, but we are so used to the yellow halogen that they look blueish.
 
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