What is it with all the lights on the front of vehicles these days? It seems like more and more vehicles these days can't do with just a pair of headlights, they've also got to have these annoying driving lights. I understand the purpose of driving lights as they make vehicles more visable during the day, but what I don't understand is why they're made to remain on even when the headlights are on. Not only is this completely unnecessary, it's very annoying to oncoming drivers. Driving lights should automatically turn off when the headlights come on, and then give the driver the option to turn the driving lights on during foggy conditions. I know many people say having these lights on in addition to having headlights are no brighter to oncoming drivers, but that is complete [censored]. They ARE much brighter. In fact, it isn't much different than someone driving at you with brights on. Two properly aimed headlights are all that's needed for good driver visability. Anything more is excessive and completely unnecessary.
Who else is sick of the over-lighting?
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You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Originally Posted By: cryption
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
No problem, just turn the buggers off when a car approaches you!!
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
No problem, just turn the buggers off when a car approaches you!!
Originally Posted By: cryption
You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Using your logic, I should drive around with my brights on all the time because I'm more concerned about being able to see than I am about causing temporary blindness to oncoming drivers....
You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Using your logic, I should drive around with my brights on all the time because I'm more concerned about being able to see than I am about causing temporary blindness to oncoming drivers....
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: cryption
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
No problem, just turn the buggers off when a car approaches you!!
That would never happen even if they could be turned off.
Originally Posted By: cryption
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
No problem, just turn the buggers off when a car approaches you!!
That would never happen even if they could be turned off.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: cryption
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
No problem, just turn the buggers off when a car approaches you!!
That would never happen even if they could be turned off.
thats right gramp. we now live in a i only care about myself,the [censored] with you society.
Originally Posted By: hate2work
Originally Posted By: cryption
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
No problem, just turn the buggers off when a car approaches you!!
That would never happen even if they could be turned off.
thats right gramp. we now live in a i only care about myself,the [censored] with you society.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: cryption
You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Using your logic, I should drive around with my brights on all the time because I'm more concerned about being able to see than I am about causing temporary blindness to oncoming drivers....
You are jumping into an extreme.
Originally Posted By: cryption
You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Using your logic, I should drive around with my brights on all the time because I'm more concerned about being able to see than I am about causing temporary blindness to oncoming drivers....
You are jumping into an extreme.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: cryption
You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Using your logic, I should drive around with my brights on all the time because I'm more concerned about being able to see than I am about causing temporary blindness to oncoming drivers....
You are jumping into an extreme.
How so?
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: cryption
You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Using your logic, I should drive around with my brights on all the time because I'm more concerned about being able to see than I am about causing temporary blindness to oncoming drivers....
You are jumping into an extreme.
How so?
Well...I'm glad I had my fog lights, but then again I only use them when absolutely necessary.
Heck, I was the pack leader on the PA Turnpike, Northeast Ext. SB when we came home this past weekend on a very foggy trip. I was doing the speed limit. I could see maybe 25-50 feet in front of me but was passing people going 30, 40, some doing 50. That all fine by me if you rather go slow, I can safely see well enough that the only thing I will hit would be a deer which even if it was clear I could hit anyway. To me, avoiding those going 30-40mph on a 65mph road is more of a hazard than doing the speed limit. It wasn't icy or wet just fog.
Soon enough people started tucking in behind me far enough back to avoid me or something I might see and panic brake for. I must have had no less than 6 cars behind me in a row at a time. I only know that because half passed me to do 75-80mph once we came far enough down from the mountains and the fog was no more.
Headlights were not enough, if it wasn't for my fogs those people & I wouldn't be able to see. Especially the newer BMW with HID's you could see his beam refracting far worse than anyone elses. I really wish I had a rear foglight though. That would made it very easy for them to see me.
No sense chastising the car makers for the idiots who drive with them on 24/7.
Heck, I was the pack leader on the PA Turnpike, Northeast Ext. SB when we came home this past weekend on a very foggy trip. I was doing the speed limit. I could see maybe 25-50 feet in front of me but was passing people going 30, 40, some doing 50. That all fine by me if you rather go slow, I can safely see well enough that the only thing I will hit would be a deer which even if it was clear I could hit anyway. To me, avoiding those going 30-40mph on a 65mph road is more of a hazard than doing the speed limit. It wasn't icy or wet just fog.
Soon enough people started tucking in behind me far enough back to avoid me or something I might see and panic brake for. I must have had no less than 6 cars behind me in a row at a time. I only know that because half passed me to do 75-80mph once we came far enough down from the mountains and the fog was no more.
Headlights were not enough, if it wasn't for my fogs those people & I wouldn't be able to see. Especially the newer BMW with HID's you could see his beam refracting far worse than anyone elses. I really wish I had a rear foglight though. That would made it very easy for them to see me.
No sense chastising the car makers for the idiots who drive with them on 24/7.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: cryption
You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Using your logic, I should drive around with my brights on all the time because I'm more concerned about being able to see than I am about causing temporary blindness to oncoming drivers....
You are jumping into an extreme.
How so?
The daylight running lights are not the same as brights. Low beams would be more comparable to the reual DRL-s or the LED based ones.
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: cryption
You obviously don't have driving lights ....
4 > 2 any day in my book. I'm more concerned with me seeing on a dark un-lit road.
Using your logic, I should drive around with my brights on all the time because I'm more concerned about being able to see than I am about causing temporary blindness to oncoming drivers....
You are jumping into an extreme.
How so?
The daylight running lights are not the same as brights. Low beams would be more comparable to the reual DRL-s or the LED based ones.
Grossly miss-aimed headlights ought to be enforced just like a burned out one. I see them all the time that are just as blinding as brights.
Originally Posted By: grampi
Anything more is excessive and completely unnecessary.
Uh, I/we have every right to have driving lights. Are you trying to control our rights?
I am driving to Lake of the Woods over night to ice fish, 6 hours of wooded, deer rich roads. I can see deer much quicker with my driving lights on. They WILL be on.
Anything more is excessive and completely unnecessary.
Uh, I/we have every right to have driving lights. Are you trying to control our rights?
I am driving to Lake of the Woods over night to ice fish, 6 hours of wooded, deer rich roads. I can see deer much quicker with my driving lights on. They WILL be on.
grampi, you're living up to your name aren't ya?
I bet you shake your fist at people who pass you and yell "what're you goin to a fire?!"
bright lights are OK if they are aimed properly; a 4x4 truck w/ regular lights is more blinding than a euro sedan low to the ground.
I bet you shake your fist at people who pass you and yell "what're you goin to a fire?!"
bright lights are OK if they are aimed properly; a 4x4 truck w/ regular lights is more blinding than a euro sedan low to the ground.
When properly aimed, driving lights are not a problem. The problem is that no one bothers to check the aim of their driving lights.
I had to work out in the boondocks the past couple of weeks so I was going back into the city at night down two lane blacktops. I'm virtually the only one going in that direction but there are hoardes of country-dwellers commuting in from the city on their way home. Seems like every truck and SUV had driving lights and the lion's share of them were mis-aimed.
But if you really want to be annoyed, get tailgated down a dark road by a motorcyclist who's headlight modulator isn't set to turn off at dusk. Flicker,flicker,flicker,flicker,flicker.... "GEEZ PASS ME ALREADY!!!!"
I had to work out in the boondocks the past couple of weeks so I was going back into the city at night down two lane blacktops. I'm virtually the only one going in that direction but there are hoardes of country-dwellers commuting in from the city on their way home. Seems like every truck and SUV had driving lights and the lion's share of them were mis-aimed.
But if you really want to be annoyed, get tailgated down a dark road by a motorcyclist who's headlight modulator isn't set to turn off at dusk. Flicker,flicker,flicker,flicker,flicker.... "GEEZ PASS ME ALREADY!!!!"
We have three cars that have OEM driving lights. I turned them on just to see if they work. They do.
Other than that, I never turn them on.
Personally, I like those blue-white headlights that I see on some of the newer cars. I gotta get me some of those.
Other than that, I never turn them on.
Personally, I like those blue-white headlights that I see on some of the newer cars. I gotta get me some of those.
I've never owned a car that had driving lights that you could not turn off. The one's you are seeing, grampi, are people who purposely turn them on. And it's their car so they can run 'em if they want...I think most people run them because they think it looks neat.
Atleast for OEM lights - they are NOT blinding and they are aimed correctly. Now, about the aftermarket kits, yes sometimes idiots install them and aim them improperly and that would blind you.
grampi - Go and find more serious stuff to complain about. You do know there are politicians out there looking to take away our rights and freedoms of choice...but then it seems you are right there along with them.
Atleast for OEM lights - they are NOT blinding and they are aimed correctly. Now, about the aftermarket kits, yes sometimes idiots install them and aim them improperly and that would blind you.
grampi - Go and find more serious stuff to complain about. You do know there are politicians out there looking to take away our rights and freedoms of choice...but then it seems you are right there along with them.
I am sick of being blinded by the over lighting on oncoming cars, and I am fighting back. I light up my brights each and every time I see overlit of blue lights coming at me. I hope it ticks 'em off real good!
I also wrote NHTSA, and they are currently reviewing the GLARE ISSUE. I hope they soon change things, before the HID issue gets more out of control:
From: "[email protected]"
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 12:27:58 PM
Subject: FW: Re: CASE ESCALATION
Thank you for your October 1 letter about your concerns regarding glare from headlamps.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has a safety standard for lamps, reflective devices and associated equipment, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 108. The purpose of this standard is to reduce crashes and injuries by providing adequate illumination of the roadway and by enhancing the visibility of motor vehicles on public roads. For headlamps, FMVSS No. 108 contains intensity requirements, both minimums and maximums, to balance seeing-distance needs while limiting glare to other drivers. High intensity discharge (HID) headlamps are required to meet these intensity requirements.
Before we can prohibit a design like HID headlamps, we need data showing the design poses an unreasonable safety risk. There is no such data now for HID headlamps, but we are trying to see if we can generate more data about these lamps. The agency has forced numerous recalls of HID conversions kits, which cause increased glare in headlamps not designed for them and are sold to motorists who desire the appearance of HID headlamps, and continues to monitor this safety issue.
The agency has completed several research projects focusing on glare and its causes. These research reports are available by doing a search on the keyword "glare" on our website, www.nhtsa.dot.gov. NHTSA also submitted a preliminary report to congress on glare in February 2007. Based on the results of our research, the agency plans to gather better data upon which to base decisions regarding the safety consequences of glare. This would allow the agency to properly evaluate potential regulatory actions.
I also wrote NHTSA, and they are currently reviewing the GLARE ISSUE. I hope they soon change things, before the HID issue gets more out of control:
From: "[email protected]"
Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 12:27:58 PM
Subject: FW: Re: CASE ESCALATION
Thank you for your October 1 letter about your concerns regarding glare from headlamps.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has a safety standard for lamps, reflective devices and associated equipment, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 108. The purpose of this standard is to reduce crashes and injuries by providing adequate illumination of the roadway and by enhancing the visibility of motor vehicles on public roads. For headlamps, FMVSS No. 108 contains intensity requirements, both minimums and maximums, to balance seeing-distance needs while limiting glare to other drivers. High intensity discharge (HID) headlamps are required to meet these intensity requirements.
Before we can prohibit a design like HID headlamps, we need data showing the design poses an unreasonable safety risk. There is no such data now for HID headlamps, but we are trying to see if we can generate more data about these lamps. The agency has forced numerous recalls of HID conversions kits, which cause increased glare in headlamps not designed for them and are sold to motorists who desire the appearance of HID headlamps, and continues to monitor this safety issue.
The agency has completed several research projects focusing on glare and its causes. These research reports are available by doing a search on the keyword "glare" on our website, www.nhtsa.dot.gov. NHTSA also submitted a preliminary report to congress on glare in February 2007. Based on the results of our research, the agency plans to gather better data upon which to base decisions regarding the safety consequences of glare. This would allow the agency to properly evaluate potential regulatory actions.
Nearly all my after dark driving is done on 2 lane rural roads and I've never had a problem with OEM driving lights or properly aimed aftermarket lights. I have them on both my wife's Subaru and my Dodge pickup, and they make a significant difference when the low beams are on in dark rural areas.
And no, I won't turn them off just because a few people don't know enough not to look directly into the headlights of oncoming vehicles.
And no, I won't turn them off just because a few people don't know enough not to look directly into the headlights of oncoming vehicles.
Some light have gotten so bright, that they totally blind the sight of an oncoming driver. If your over 50, this is exacerbated. Add this to the fact that the people who use these lights are too rude to bother to turn them off in the face of an oncoming vehicle, and you will have accidents. Its overkill IMO, I can see fine with the lights that come with the vehicle
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
And no, I won't turn them off just because a few people don't know enough not to look directly into the headlights of oncoming vehicles.
Be SARCASTIC all you want, but I am going to light YOU up! When you have a 16 year old daughter who asks you "Dad, what can I do about those horrible bright lights blinding me", you bet I stand against them. BTW, Ace, she & I don't "look directly into them". Duh.
And no, I won't turn them off just because a few people don't know enough not to look directly into the headlights of oncoming vehicles.
Be SARCASTIC all you want, but I am going to light YOU up! When you have a 16 year old daughter who asks you "Dad, what can I do about those horrible bright lights blinding me", you bet I stand against them. BTW, Ace, she & I don't "look directly into them". Duh.
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