Which Supertech filter for my Hyundai?

[Clement]

2002 Hyundai Accent, 1.6L, 48,000K miles
I'm currently using the regular purolator filter, don't know the number. What I was curious about is that the Fram and Supertech filter speced for my car is #6607, and is tiny! The Purolator and AC Delco filters are much bigger than the Supertech.

Does Supertech make a larger filter than the #6607?

 

[Propflux01]

The 6607 is spec'ed fo the Elantra, also. A '3593A' works great for oversize.

 

[Ray H]

A 3950 (A Fram number, but you should be able to x-reference it to a Purolator. STs use the same numbering system as Frams, though.) is even larger and also works very well. Fortunately, Hyundai took an enlightened attitude toward oil filter location with easy access and plenty of room to go oversize. (Shoot, on my latest oil change I went with a leftover Honda filter I originally bought for my Accord for my Sonata I still had on hand...) The 3950s have the same bypass rating as the Hyundai filters, the same gasket diameter, and the same diameter and thread pitch in the exit port. If you're currently using a "regular Purolator" oil filter, my guess is it's the 14459 - which is close to the actual Hyundai filter in size.

[ August 31, 2004, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: Ray H ]

 

[Clement]

Excellent! Thank you.

 

[Clement]

I just picked up 2 of the SuperTech #3950 filters. They're huge! Appear to be of similar construction to the AC Delco filter. Nice looking filter. The best part of this is it will increase slightly my motors oil capacity, which is listed as only 3.5 quarts with the filter.
Appears to be a great deal for $1.97

 

[Ray H]

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Originally posted by Clement:
Nice looking filter. The best part of this is it will increase slightly my motors oil capacity, which is listed as only 3.5 quarts with the filter.

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STs are made by Champion Labs (NOT the same company that makes Champion spark plugs). Champion Labs is also a supplier to AC, so your observation about construction similarities is probably closer to the truth than you might have realized - both could well have come out of the same factory. I figure you can safely go to 3.75 quarts without danger of overfill. Another filter you -might- want to consider is the Purolator 14619. Under the Pep Boys "ProLine" brand, it's about $2.50. It's a MONSTER - larger even than the 3950. Physically the can's the same size as that of a PH16 - the "shorty" version of the ubiquitous PH8A. (Neither the PH16 nor the PH8A will work on Hyundai engines, so don't get any ideas...) This rascal would probably let you run a full 4 quarts. However, it has a somewhat larger diameter gasket. It nevertheless works fine on my Sonata's V6 due to that engine's broad gasket mating face, so it might just mate successfully to your Accent, too, if Hyundai was equally generous on the 1.8L I4.

 

[Odin]

Ray,

I have a question concerning your statement that the 3950 has the same bypass settings as the original Hyundai filter(I have an 2000 Elantra). First of all, I do not know the bypass settings of the origian Hyundai filter, but the ST6607, P14459, 51334(wix) filters are specified for my vehicle. All these filters have a bypass setting of 8-11psi, while the ST3950 has a bypass of 13-19psi. I used the wixfilters.com website to get these values. Am I missing something?

Odin

 

[labman]

If you want a truly monster filter and have room for it, Look at an ST 9. I did, and there isn't room for in in my truck. Measure carefully remembering to allow for the engine moving in its mounts and road hazards to things that stick down too far. I am assuming anything that big has more filter area in it than the ST 3950. Cutting open is the only way to be sure.

The PF 1177 is the same size as the ST 3950 and has about 1 1/2 times as much filter area, but NO bypass. Do not use it on an engine with no internal bypass.

 

[Bill Kapaun]

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Originally posted by Odin:
Ray,

I have a question concerning your statement that the 3950 has the same bypass settings as the original Hyundai filter(I have an 2000 Elantra). First of all, I do not know the bypass settings of the origian Hyundai filter, but the ST6607, P14459, 51334(wix) filters are specified for my vehicle. All these filters have a bypass setting of 8-11psi, while the ST3950 has a bypass of 13-19psi. I used the wixfilters.com website to get these values. Am I missing something?

Odin

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Well, you're assuming that the Wix cross is EXACTLY like the FRAM #.
It may or may not be. FRAM seems to be pretty generic at times, considering the large number of filters they make.
How did you cross the ST#?
Crossing the ST (made by Champion) to a FRAM and then to a Wix? Crossing a cross gets iffy real fast.

 

[Ray H]

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Originally posted by Odin:
Ray,

I have a question concerning your statement that the 3950 has the same bypass settings as the original Hyundai filter(I have an 2000 Elantra). First of all, I do not know the bypass settings of the origian Hyundai filter, but the ST6607, P14459, 51334(wix) filters are specified for my vehicle. All these filters have a bypass setting of 8-11psi, while the ST3950 has a bypass of 13-19psi.

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Yep, you're right, Odin! I was drawing assumptions based on posts from Honda owners who've used 3950s with apparently good results. In truth, my bad - faulty logic! The Honda folk, though are also x-referenced the same aftermarket part numbers as us Hyundai people are. Whether the ST 3950 has as high a bypass rating as the WIX equivalent is open to question since Champion Labs doesn't offer a similarly slick specification guide to that of the WIX site. Also open to question is whether the bypass discrepency is apt to be harmul to Hyundai engines in the long term*. But, those are neither reasons to follow suit with Honda owners' anecdotal experiences, nor to justify lazy research. Good catch!

*I doubt there's danger of the filter case bursting, but it would take someone with more technical experience than mine to judge whether the Hyundai oil pump seals would be at risk. Or does the company uitilize oil pumps with their own internal bypass valves?

 

[Clement]

Some more data from Pureoil and Wix's site

Fram PH6607 is equivalent to L14612 & L14622 which have a 14-18psi bypass rating.

ST3950 is equivalent to L10193 which has a 15-18 psi bypass rating.

L14459 has a 12-15 psi bypass rating.

Wix 51334 has a 8-11 psi bypass rating.

PH6607, L14459, and 51334 are all speced for the same 1599cc Hyundai engine, and all with different bypass ratings. Also, Purolators equivalent (L14612 & L14622) for the Fram (pf6607) filter is not refrenced for the Hyundai engine.

Interestingly enough, Purolator refrences the L14459(12-15psi) as the equivalent to Wix's 51334(8-11psi) even though their bypass ratings don't even overlap.

Looking at all this, the ST3950 filter should not cause any problems.
All of the above data was taken directly from:
http://www.pureoil.com/
and http://www.wixfilters.com/filterlookup/index.asp

 

[unDummy]

Another option is the ZR1 filter from the older Corvette or the Renault Eagle Premier.

Its the PH3985 size. I wonder if supertech has an ST3985 size. Xreference with Wix 51626 and previously mentioned Purolator 14619.

I wouldn't worry about the bypass rating. Its depends on the media used and the MFG's method of measuring. One MFG might use the "starts to open at" and another might use the "fully open at" spec. Comparing one MFG's bypass spec to another is like comparing apples to onions. When comparing specs, stick within the brand(or clones) or don't compare at all!

 

[Clement]

ST # 3950 does not fit on the Hyundai Accent! I tried it yesterday. An alternator mounting bracket gets in the way, the filter is too wide. I had to use a purolator instead. Oh well.

A longer filter at the same diameter of the purolator filter would work nicely.

 

[Shadohh]

I looked at a #3950 last night.

BFF = Big f#$%ing filter ^^

That is one HUGE filter !! Dear God.

I could seen running a ssynhtetic and going 15k miles on it that filter

Dont want to thou.

It would clear on my 2000 Hyundai Tiburon.


Can of you guys give us a filter in a size range of the puralator ? But in supertech style.

Thanks guys.

 

[unDummy]

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Originally posted by Clement:
ST # 3950 does not fit on the Hyundai Accent! I tried it yesterday. An alternator mounting bracket gets in the way, the filter is too wide. I had to use a purolator instead. Oh well.

A longer filter at the same diameter of the purolator filter would work nicely.

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Which puro PN did you use???

 

[Shadohh]

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Originally posted by unDummy:

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Originally posted by Clement:
ST # 3950 does not fit on the Hyundai Accent! I tried it yesterday. An alternator mounting bracket gets in the way, the filter is too wide. I had to use a purolator instead. Oh well.

A longer filter at the same diameter of the purolator filter would work nicely.

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Which puro PN did you use???

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pl14459

 

[Shadohh]

I noticed the 97/98 Hyundai are listed as

3935a And then 99+ at 6607

Which is odd since its all the same oil filter from 97-2004 from hyundai/puralator.


so I am sure a 3539a fits on the new ones.

I would got one but they were sold out ;9