Costco. Top tier plus 30-40 cents cheaper plus fresh gas plus 3% rebate with American Express. The only negative is long lines.
Which station would you buy gas from?
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Originally Posted By: whip
Top Tier is a marketing scam. Buy the cheapest or easiest to get and carry on.
^^I agree with this. Gas is gas. Just use the octane rating your car requires and you'll be good to go.
Top Tier is a marketing scam. Buy the cheapest or easiest to get and carry on.
^^I agree with this. Gas is gas. Just use the octane rating your car requires and you'll be good to go.
I only use Top Tier gas. I used to think Top Tier was a gimmick, but if I use non Top Tire gas, my mileage goes down.
Originally Posted By: stchman
I only use Top Tier gas. I used to think Top Tier was a gimmick, but if I use non Top Tire gas, my mileage goes down.
I only use Top Tier gas. I used to think Top Tier was a gimmick, but if I use non Top Tire gas, my mileage goes down.
Carfax recommends Top Tier Gas:
http://www.carfax.com/blog/top-tier-gas-medicine-engine/
As well as these:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=why+was+toptier+gas+started
The explanation makes sense to me. The designation was started by some of the largest auto manufacturers. This coming from a natural skeptic.
http://www.carfax.com/blog/top-tier-gas-medicine-engine/
As well as these:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=why+was+toptier+gas+started
The explanation makes sense to me. The designation was started by some of the largest auto manufacturers. This coming from a natural skeptic.
Well, I prefer 100% gas and that is not sold at top tier locations here. I get beter MPG and no issues in over a year now.
The car companies have to certify on the cheapest swill of the prescribed octane so you can use that just fine. IOW if it says 87, use the cheapest 87 you can find.
Top Tier is nice and all but IMHO it's a scam. If the engines need it then they are poorly designed engines!
I've got 120k of data showing that brand has no real effect on MPG. Across 2 vehicles and from day 1 for one of them. Octane can make a difference but it is not offset by the increased cost.
Top Tier is nice and all but IMHO it's a scam. If the engines need it then they are poorly designed engines!
I've got 120k of data showing that brand has no real effect on MPG. Across 2 vehicles and from day 1 for one of them. Octane can make a difference but it is not offset by the increased cost.
The one with the hottest girl working the register. Can't believe no one suggested this approach.
I always go to Shell. The hottest girl at the register is a solid plan, but I never have to go inside.
Gas is a commodity, just like motor oil. Why obsess about brands?
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Gas is a commodity, just like motor oil. Why obsess about brands?
not sure if you're just trolling, especially since you've been a member here for 9 years. For sure you must realize that the 2nd phrase of your first sentence clearly rebuts your hypothetical question.
Gas is a commodity, just like motor oil. Why obsess about brands?
not sure if you're just trolling, especially since you've been a member here for 9 years. For sure you must realize that the 2nd phrase of your first sentence clearly rebuts your hypothetical question.
Originally Posted By: raytseng
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Gas is a commodity, just like motor oil. Why obsess about brands?
not sure if you're just trolling, especially since you've been a member here for 9 years. For sure you must realize that the 2nd phrase of your first sentence clearly rebuts your hypothetical question.
Trolling? No, I leave that to members that are much better at it than I am.
What makes you think motor oil is not a commodity? Yes, we have certain specifications and approvals that should be respected, but once you know which approvals the oil should meet, any oil with those approvals will perform the same, hence it makes it a commodity.
It's the job of the marketing departments to convince people otherwise. They are obviously doing a fantastic job.
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Gas is a commodity, just like motor oil. Why obsess about brands?
not sure if you're just trolling, especially since you've been a member here for 9 years. For sure you must realize that the 2nd phrase of your first sentence clearly rebuts your hypothetical question.
Trolling? No, I leave that to members that are much better at it than I am.
What makes you think motor oil is not a commodity? Yes, we have certain specifications and approvals that should be respected, but once you know which approvals the oil should meet, any oil with those approvals will perform the same, hence it makes it a commodity.
It's the job of the marketing departments to convince people otherwise. They are obviously doing a fantastic job.
Originally Posted By: whip
Top Tier is a marketing scam. Buy the cheapest or easiest to get and carry on.
So do you just buy the cheapest oil to put in your car? Isn't oil just oil too? How about filters, filters are just filters too.
Top Tier is a marketing scam. Buy the cheapest or easiest to get and carry on.
So do you just buy the cheapest oil to put in your car? Isn't oil just oil too? How about filters, filters are just filters too.
Originally Posted By: stchman
So do you just buy the cheapest oil to put in your car? Isn't oil just oil too? How about filters, filters are just filters too.
Millions do without incident. And by cheapest I mean they go to the Quickee Lube and put the cheapest whatever in. They go to Bobs Auto and he does the same. Same with Filters. How many billions of "Fram OCODs" have graced engines in the last 50-70 years? How many failures?
Look at fleet vehicles too - cheapest oil, cheapest filter, etc. How many of them lead long hard lives? (Hint: many)
Sure I use Pennzoil Platinum and a Fram Ultra. Why? Cause I tow hard in the truck and drive the car a little hard. They both have 2 turbos. I figure it's a little insurance for the minuscule addition in cost. Previous vehicles got whatever and made it to long lives.
There's also a huge difference in a fluid that has to last 5-10k lubricating and one that simply gets exploded into energy and then gone.
I've probably got a million miles on various vehicles using the cheapest swill gas I can find of the specified octane. None have had any fuel system repairs and almost all went 100k+. I got tired of them before they gave me issues.
If you think there's a meaningful difference by all means keep at it. But there isn't any.
So do you just buy the cheapest oil to put in your car? Isn't oil just oil too? How about filters, filters are just filters too.
Millions do without incident. And by cheapest I mean they go to the Quickee Lube and put the cheapest whatever in. They go to Bobs Auto and he does the same. Same with Filters. How many billions of "Fram OCODs" have graced engines in the last 50-70 years? How many failures?
Look at fleet vehicles too - cheapest oil, cheapest filter, etc. How many of them lead long hard lives? (Hint: many)
Sure I use Pennzoil Platinum and a Fram Ultra. Why? Cause I tow hard in the truck and drive the car a little hard. They both have 2 turbos. I figure it's a little insurance for the minuscule addition in cost. Previous vehicles got whatever and made it to long lives.
There's also a huge difference in a fluid that has to last 5-10k lubricating and one that simply gets exploded into energy and then gone.
I've probably got a million miles on various vehicles using the cheapest swill gas I can find of the specified octane. None have had any fuel system repairs and almost all went 100k+. I got tired of them before they gave me issues.
If you think there's a meaningful difference by all means keep at it. But there isn't any.
Yea, my point however, was look at where you are posting.
Of all the places where the smallest hairs related to oil are to be split, this is the place.
Perhaps if you posted in some consumerreports forum, then you'd have a choir of consensus that it doesn't matter as long as it meets the spec.
BITOG is the specific area where the differences are laid out.
So even if it maybe true, it's a bad analogy to use to try to make your point... for this audience.
Here I'll make another analogy about your analogy.
It's like saying all cellphones are the same, they all make calls, they all surf the web; they all play music. If you're posting in a generic forum maybe that's a fine analogy to make about commodized items.
But if you were posting in an android developer forum they'll say that's a inaccurate analogy to use to push that point, as all they talk about is the differences and fine details.
Of all the places where the smallest hairs related to oil are to be split, this is the place.
Perhaps if you posted in some consumerreports forum, then you'd have a choir of consensus that it doesn't matter as long as it meets the spec.
BITOG is the specific area where the differences are laid out.
So even if it maybe true, it's a bad analogy to use to try to make your point... for this audience.
Here I'll make another analogy about your analogy.
It's like saying all cellphones are the same, they all make calls, they all surf the web; they all play music. If you're posting in a generic forum maybe that's a fine analogy to make about commodized items.
But if you were posting in an android developer forum they'll say that's a inaccurate analogy to use to push that point, as all they talk about is the differences and fine details.
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Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: whip
Top Tier is a marketing scam. Buy the cheapest or easiest to get and carry on.
So do you just buy the cheapest oil to put in your car? Isn't oil just oil too? How about filters, filters are just filters too.
I usually do. I watched a fleet of vans & sedans wind up spaceship mileage on whatever oil the company got cheapest by the drum & whatever filters were cheapest by the pallet! Only things that don't get cheap oil are my wife's fire-breathing Grand National (5W40 synthetic) and her bikes (MC oil for the wet clutches).
Originally Posted By: whip
Top Tier is a marketing scam. Buy the cheapest or easiest to get and carry on.
So do you just buy the cheapest oil to put in your car? Isn't oil just oil too? How about filters, filters are just filters too.
I usually do. I watched a fleet of vans & sedans wind up spaceship mileage on whatever oil the company got cheapest by the drum & whatever filters were cheapest by the pallet! Only things that don't get cheap oil are my wife's fire-breathing Grand National (5W40 synthetic) and her bikes (MC oil for the wet clutches).
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