Which show might better predict the future, Jetsons or Mad Maxx II

[Pew]

I hate to sound like an apocalypse lover but I feel like more Mad Max than anything. Resources are finite and when critical resources are short, society usually starts to collapse. History has shown that multiple times.

I would love a Jettsons style future but we teeter on the edge

 

[GON]

Mad Maxx is a fantasy. Human civilizations rise and fall, yes. Natural disasters, wars, diseases, famine. It happens. But we always reestablish the rule of law, government and society structures, monetary systems, and open commerce because this is how humans thrive. Not by killing one another in a pseudo post apocalyptic anarchy.

Interesting.

Might be useful to note Afghanistan. In the 1970s Afghanistan was a major wheat and raison exporter. Afghanistan was popular with young adults from western nations as a tourist destination to smoke weed and other like stuffs.

I taught a course for four years at a top 30 U.S. university--- to students significantly smarter than me. Asked these young adults who were considerably smarter than me could something like ISIS happen in the U.S. The answer was always and quickly no. Then rephrased the question as what would happen in the U.S. if young men could not get jobs, could not get married, etc.... had no hope. Could something like ISIS then happen in the U.S. The answer was a resounding yes.

With technology today- doesn't take much to disenfranchise young men, and if the disenfranchise happens in mass----- the equation quickly changes.....

 

[vavavroom]

We are living Idiocracy right now. The future is going to be like Blade Runner mixed with The Road Warrior, a sprinkling of The Children of Men, and a dash of Soylent Green, and maybe a touch of 28 Days Later. It's not going to be anything like Star Trek the original series or The Next Generation.

 

[CKN]

We are living Idiocracy right now. The future is going to be like Blade Runner mixed with The Road Warrior, a sprinkling of The Children of Men, and a dash of Soylent Green, and maybe a touch of 28 Days Later. It's not going to be anything like Star Trek the original series or The Next Generation.

Your post has I'm a very "mature" guy.........and very optimistic written all over it. No body under 60 would use a Soylent Green reference.......

 

[vavavroom]

Your post has I'm a very "mature" guy.........and very optimistic written all over it.

My repertoire of movie trivia goes back to Louis Le Prince and 1888!

No body under 60 would use a Soylent Green reference.......

I just did! I can even quote The Thin Man should the need arise.

 

[ATex7239]

Interesting.

Might be useful to note Afghanistan. In the 1970s Afghanistan was a major wheat and raison exporter. Afghanistan was popular with young adults from western nations as a tourist destination to smoke weed and other like stuffs.

I taught a course for four years at a top 30 U.S. university--- to students significantly smarter than me. Asked these young adults who were considerably smarter than me could something like ISIS happen in the U.S. The answer was always and quickly no. Then rephrased the question as what would happen in the U.S. if young men could not get jobs, could not get married, etc.... had no hope. Could something like ISIS then happen in the U.S. The answer was a resounding yes.

With technology today- doesn't take much to disenfranchise young men, and if the disenfranchise happens in mass----- the equation quickly changes.....
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It is a place torn by war for sure. There are many regions throughout history which sustained extremely long wartimes, we often even refer to them as such (30 Years War, 100 Years War, etc.) I acknowledged societies can rise and fall and war can happen.

However I did not realize we are isolating for countries and time periods for this topic? I thought the topic was more broadly interpreted to the whole of mankind because that is the plot of the Jetsons and Mad Maxx. I would venture both World Wars seemed like Mad Maxx to Europe if we are isolating. And the Ukraine probably seems like that right now.

To conflate individual region’s conflicts with the whole of mankind devolving into a total wasteland of anarchy and destruction seems ridiculous to me. Completely unlikely, no, anything is possible. But it makes a better plot for a movie than a likely prediction for the future.

 

[ATex7239]

I hate to sound like an apocalypse lover but I feel like more Mad Max than anything. Resources are finite and when critical resources are short, society usually starts to collapse. History has shown that multiple times.

I would love a Jettsons style future but we teeter on the edge

Apocalypse Lover. I’m steal that. There are definitely those types out there and I could never figure out exactly what to call it.

If we deplete all resources Mad Maxx style, we will be too hungry to sustain prolonged fighting. Sustenance will be top priority. And if we do fight it will be done in small areas on foot. Because no one will be making more fuel needed to sustain the modern style of mechanized warfare. And bullet production will stop. So it will be hand to hand with blunt weapons after awhile. You were Infantry. Think about all the resources and logistics behind you needed to just go on patrol in one unit. Remove that. How long are you going to go without someone else supplying resources or relief? A few days maybe?

If it gets Mad Maxx apocalypse bad we will need to band together in small nomadic tribes working together to survive otherwise humans will go extinct.

 

[Lubener]

I always thought at the time "Married With Children" was a good predicter of the future.

 

[Delta]

Idiocracy.

You beat me to it!

This movie is unfortunately accurate to a tee. I've found that there are two kind of people after watching it. Either, "That was stupid, I don't get it", OR, "That was the funniest and terribly accurate movie I've ever seen"

You'll need to see it several times to catch all the humor. It's one of the biggest sleepers ever.

Not surprised someone else posted that before I did

However it seems the progression has been a whole lot quicker than what the movie sets. What started out as a comedy is surely turning into a documentary

 

[Pablo]

Idiocracy.

That was absolutely my first thought when I read the thread title before clicking.

TLDR: You beat me to it.

 

[Pablo]

Nevere hear of Idiocracy. Had to Google it. Here is a quick link if others are like.me.and.not familiar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

Watch this movie. You have to retire. Now. Don't support the clownaucracy. They drink electrolytes.

 

[Delta]

Watch this movie. You have to retire. Now. Don't support the clownaucracy. They drink electrolytes.

The language in the movie is not what most members here would tolerate though


We also make Brawndo jokes all the time at work. Call out on the rado "just get some Brawndo, it's what gearboxes crave!"

 

[Pablo]

The language in the movie is not what most members here would tolerate though


We also make Brawndo jokes all the time at work. Call out on the rado "just get some Brawndo, it's what gearboxes crave!"

It's raunchy, and the stuff you can get at Costco has............expanded...........and it's silly of course, but are current decisions in our capitals much different?

 

[RooflessVW]

To answer the topic question: I think it's both.

It's going to be Jetsons for some and Mad Max for the rest...

 

[ATex7239]

Technology will progress, or maybe not, but people will stay people. You go read from ancient civilizations and you’ll see that they were just like us today. Morals and societal systems change but for the most part we’re all the same as we were thousands to years ago.

Old people think young people are stupid. Young people think old people are stupid. Some people are smart. Most people are dumb. Kind people are kind. Crazy people are crazy. Most people just want to be happy and raise a family. We are all the same in the end. Little more than noisy hairless apes with advanced tools and an over developed sense of self-worth.

 

[Cujet]

They drink electrolytes.

It's what plants crave!

I'm going to say the movie that comes closest will be: "The Martian". We will attempt to send people to Mars, and mess it up, from top to bottom. But the American scientist will pull through in the end.

 

[alarmguy]

Maybe neither will predict the future, but is either more likely then the other to predict the future

The Jetsons or Mad Maxx II?

Hmmmmm … I may have to flip a coin on that one. I think the odds are about 50-50.

 

[Mbr123]

Terminator.....

 

[Snagglefoot]

The Mad Max scenario is probably more realistic if any of the current wars escalate and some older leader lets fly a nuclear weapon. The street scenes in the original Blade Runner are probably realistic, but sorry, no flying cars.

 

[Pew]

Apocalypse Lover. I’m steal that. There are definitely those types out there and I could never figure out exactly what to call it.

If we deplete all resources Mad Maxx style, we will be too hungry to sustain prolonged fighting. Sustenance will be top priority. And if we do fight it will be done in small areas on foot. Because no one will be making more fuel needed to sustain the modern style of mechanized warfare. And bullet production will stop. So it will be hand to hand with blunt weapons after awhile. You were Infantry. Think about all the resources and logistics behind you needed to just go on patrol in one unit. Remove that. How long are you going to go without someone else supplying resources or relief? A few days maybe?

If it gets Mad Maxx apocalypse bad we will need to band together in small nomadic tribes working together to survive otherwise humans will go extinct.

Not all resources will have to be depleted, only scarcity of critical ones, often abruptly.

I was infantry but for a first world country. When we look at the conflicts that we've had against third world countries, we see the lack of logistics and how little people can fight on. Afghani, Japanese and Vietnamese soldiers were regularly fed with only minimal rations, usually just rice and whatever else they can scavenge from their surroundings if not stealing them from the local populace (WW2 on both sides.)

For a non-military collapse (and I think the best example given our reliance on oil), Britain nearly had a societal collapse when their oil refineries were blocked by protestors in the early 2000s. Fights were breaking out at gas stations, people couldn't get to work, public transportation had no fuel, medical equipment and food couldn't be delivered, etc including products from petrochemical production. That was only for a few days too.o Now imagine if/when potable water becomes scarce.

Like @GON states, people/societies with less or nothing to lose will do desperate things when their back are against the wall with little to no options. An event that comes to mind is the airline crash in the Alps(?) where the survivors went an extended period with no food and had to resort to cannibalism to survive until rescue.

As intelligent as humans can be, are still animals and will resort to herd-like mentality. A little disruption of common resources can bring disorder; and when citizens start to stockpile supplies that are in short supply can exasperate the issue. We have governments and officials in place that are supposed to plan for catastrophic events but as we've seen lately a self-serving government is little of no help and multiple catastrophic events of different categories can quickly bring down a complex society (bronze age collapse.)