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Originally Posted By: whip
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
That's what I'm trying to figure out? These are peoples personal property. They can cost several thousand dollars each. What gives anyone the right to, "shoot one down", based on nothing more than they don't like it? That's ridiculous.
I don't like my neighbors loud motorcycle. That doesn't give me the right to walk up to it with a 12 ga. and put a round of buckshot through the crankcase. Few of these smaller drones even carry cameras or photographic equipment. Most are flown for pure enjoyment. Much the same way people fly R/C model aircraft. No one has the right to shoot one down. This is all about attitudes, not common sense.
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
That's what I'm trying to figure out? These are peoples personal property. They can cost several thousand dollars each. What gives anyone the right to, "shoot one down", based on nothing more than they don't like it? That's ridiculous.
I don't like my neighbors loud motorcycle. That doesn't give me the right to walk up to it with a 12 ga. and put a round of buckshot through the crankcase. Few of these smaller drones even carry cameras or photographic equipment. Most are flown for pure enjoyment. Much the same way people fly R/C model aircraft. No one has the right to shoot one down. This is all about attitudes, not common sense.
Originally Posted By: whip
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
If its ok to shoot a person who comes onto your property then it's ok to shoot a drone that's flying around your yard, or hovering outside a window while your 7 yr old daughter gets changed in her bedroom.
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
If its ok to shoot a person who comes onto your property then it's ok to shoot a drone that's flying around your yard, or hovering outside a window while your 7 yr old daughter gets changed in her bedroom.
Originally Posted By: Olas
If its ok to shoot a person who comes onto your property............
It's NOT OK to shoot someone just because they, "came on your property". You can't kill someone in cold blood for trespassing. Unless that person poses a direct and immediate threat to your life or family. You do and you'll find yourself in jail for a long time. Too many people playing lawyers here.
And what's with all this nonsense over drones, "looking into windows" anyway? Does anyone personally know anyone this actually happened to? And I'm not talking about reading about it in the National Enquirer or Star.
If its ok to shoot a person who comes onto your property............
It's NOT OK to shoot someone just because they, "came on your property". You can't kill someone in cold blood for trespassing. Unless that person poses a direct and immediate threat to your life or family. You do and you'll find yourself in jail for a long time. Too many people playing lawyers here.
And what's with all this nonsense over drones, "looking into windows" anyway? Does anyone personally know anyone this actually happened to? And I'm not talking about reading about it in the National Enquirer or Star.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: whip
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
That's what I'm trying to figure out? These are peoples personal property. They can cost several thousand dollars each. What gives anyone the right to, "shoot one down", based on nothing more than they don't like it? That's ridiculous.
I don't like my neighbors loud motorcycle. That doesn't give me the right to walk up to it with a 12 ga. and put a round of buckshot through the crankcase. Few of these smaller drones even carry cameras or photographic equipment. Most are flown for pure enjoyment. Much the same way people fly R/C model aircraft. No one has the right to shoot one down. This is all about attitudes, not common sense.
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Originally Posted By: whip
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
That's what I'm trying to figure out? These are peoples personal property. They can cost several thousand dollars each. What gives anyone the right to, "shoot one down", based on nothing more than they don't like it? That's ridiculous.
I don't like my neighbors loud motorcycle. That doesn't give me the right to walk up to it with a 12 ga. and put a round of buckshot through the crankcase. Few of these smaller drones even carry cameras or photographic equipment. Most are flown for pure enjoyment. Much the same way people fly R/C model aircraft. No one has the right to shoot one down. This is all about attitudes, not common sense.
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Understood. If there is some type of photographic perversion going on, then possibly. But still, I would be very cautious about going to guns on them. You could easily be creating far more problems than you would be solving. Look what is happening to the poor Chattanooga Marine recruiter who starting firing on that Arab crackpot who was trying to KILL him. He's now facing charges. I'm not saying I agree with any of this. It's just the way it is. A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Understood. If there is some type of photographic perversion going on, then possibly. But still, I would be very cautious about going to guns on them. You could easily be creating far more problems than you would be solving. Look what is happening to the poor Chattanooga Marine recruiter who starting firing on that Arab crackpot who was trying to KILL him. He's now facing charges. I'm not saying I agree with any of this. It's just the way it is. A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
The Chatanooga Marine recruiters were shot at but they did not return fire. They were unarmed.
The Sailors and Marines at the Chatanooga Navy Operational Support Center (NOSC) were the ones who were killed. The CO of NOSC Chatanooga returned fire against the terrorist.
The Navy conducted an investigation into the incident, during which charges against the CO were considered. Carrying a personal weapon on a USN installation is prohibited.
At this time, no charges are expected be brought against the CO, LCDR Timothy White for discharging his personal weapon in the defense against this attack.
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/...arges/31157189/
The Sailors and Marines at the Chatanooga Navy Operational Support Center (NOSC) were the ones who were killed. The CO of NOSC Chatanooga returned fire against the terrorist.
The Navy conducted an investigation into the incident, during which charges against the CO were considered. Carrying a personal weapon on a USN installation is prohibited.
At this time, no charges are expected be brought against the CO, LCDR Timothy White for discharging his personal weapon in the defense against this attack.
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/...arges/31157189/
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Understood. If there is some type of photographic perversion going on, then possibly. But still, I would be very cautious about going to guns on them. You could easily be creating far more problems than you would be solving. Look what is happening to the poor Chattanooga Marine recruiter who starting firing on that Arab crackpot who was trying to KILL him. He's now facing charges. I'm not saying I agree with any of this. It's just the way it is. A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
You are obviously delusional.
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Understood. If there is some type of photographic perversion going on, then possibly. But still, I would be very cautious about going to guns on them. You could easily be creating far more problems than you would be solving. Look what is happening to the poor Chattanooga Marine recruiter who starting firing on that Arab crackpot who was trying to KILL him. He's now facing charges. I'm not saying I agree with any of this. It's just the way it is. A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
You are obviously delusional.
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: whip
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
That's what I'm trying to figure out? These are peoples personal property. They can cost several thousand dollars each. What gives anyone the right to, "shoot one down", based on nothing more than they don't like it? That's ridiculous.
I don't like my neighbors loud motorcycle. That doesn't give me the right to walk up to it with a 12 ga. and put a round of buckshot through the crankcase. Few of these smaller drones even carry cameras or photographic equipment. Most are flown for pure enjoyment. Much the same way people fly R/C model aircraft. No one has the right to shoot one down. This is all about attitudes, not common sense.
Nobody rides a loud bike on MY property without asking, jack.
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: whip
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
That's what I'm trying to figure out? These are peoples personal property. They can cost several thousand dollars each. What gives anyone the right to, "shoot one down", based on nothing more than they don't like it? That's ridiculous.
I don't like my neighbors loud motorcycle. That doesn't give me the right to walk up to it with a 12 ga. and put a round of buckshot through the crankcase. Few of these smaller drones even carry cameras or photographic equipment. Most are flown for pure enjoyment. Much the same way people fly R/C model aircraft. No one has the right to shoot one down. This is all about attitudes, not common sense.
Nobody rides a loud bike on MY property without asking, jack.
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Originally Posted By: billt460
A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
Tell that defenseless victims in Aurora, Virgina Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, Ft. Hood, etc. I'm sure if those victims had a gun they would be worried about how much trouble they were going to be in.
A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
Tell that defenseless victims in Aurora, Virgina Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, Ft. Hood, etc. I'm sure if those victims had a gun they would be worried about how much trouble they were going to be in.
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: billt460
A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
Tell that defenseless victims in Aurora, Virgina Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, Ft. Hood, etc. I'm sure if those victims had a gun they would be worried about how much trouble they were going to be in.
+1
Originally Posted By: billt460
A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
Tell that defenseless victims in Aurora, Virgina Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, Ft. Hood, etc. I'm sure if those victims had a gun they would be worried about how much trouble they were going to be in.
+1
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: whip
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
That's what I'm trying to figure out? These are peoples personal property. They can cost several thousand dollars each. What gives anyone the right to, "shoot one down", based on nothing more than they don't like it? That's ridiculous.
I don't like my neighbors loud motorcycle. That doesn't give me the right to walk up to it with a 12 ga. and put a round of buckshot through the crankcase. Few of these smaller drones even carry cameras or photographic equipment. Most are flown for pure enjoyment. Much the same way people fly R/C model aircraft. No one has the right to shoot one down. This is all about attitudes, not common sense.
Nobody rides a loud bike on MY property without asking, jack.
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Peeping Tom drone boy's right to fly his toy ends at my property line. Finito. If these toys were used in a responsible way, instead of their owners yammering about THEIR rights to annoy others, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: whip
Why is it ok to shoot a drone down?
That's what I'm trying to figure out? These are peoples personal property. They can cost several thousand dollars each. What gives anyone the right to, "shoot one down", based on nothing more than they don't like it? That's ridiculous.
I don't like my neighbors loud motorcycle. That doesn't give me the right to walk up to it with a 12 ga. and put a round of buckshot through the crankcase. Few of these smaller drones even carry cameras or photographic equipment. Most are flown for pure enjoyment. Much the same way people fly R/C model aircraft. No one has the right to shoot one down. This is all about attitudes, not common sense.
Nobody rides a loud bike on MY property without asking, jack.
I think the problem comes when people feel like their privacy is being invaded, i.e. cameras looking at them from over their property. One guy shot one down as it was flying over his teen daughters in bathing suits at his own pool.
Peeping Tom drone boy's right to fly his toy ends at my property line. Finito. If these toys were used in a responsible way, instead of their owners yammering about THEIR rights to annoy others, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: billt460
A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
Tell that defenseless victims in Aurora, Virgina Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, Ft. Hood, etc. I'm sure if those victims had a gun they would be worried about how much trouble they were going to be in.
Apparently the pajama boy defending universal peeping Tom drone access is more worried about the "rule" than the lives of servicemen. Makes ME want to barf.
Originally Posted By: billt460
A gun can easily get you into far more trouble than it can get you out of.
Tell that defenseless victims in Aurora, Virgina Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, Ft. Hood, etc. I'm sure if those victims had a gun they would be worried about how much trouble they were going to be in.
Apparently the pajama boy defending universal peeping Tom drone access is more worried about the "rule" than the lives of servicemen. Makes ME want to barf.
Originally Posted By: Astro14
The Chatanooga Marine recruiters were shot at but they did not return fire. They were unarmed.
The Sailors and Marines at the Chatanooga Navy Operational Support Center (NOSC) were the ones who were killed. The CO of NOSC Chatanooga returned fire against the terrorist.
The Navy conducted an investigation into the incident, during which charges against the CO were considered. Carrying a personal weapon on a USN installation is prohibited.
At this time, no charges are expected be brought against the CO, LCDR Timothy White for discharging his personal weapon in the defense against this attack.
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/...arges/31157189/
The drone loving pajama boy would rather the CO were be DEAD, along with his co workers, than be a nasty RULE BREAKER.
The Chatanooga Marine recruiters were shot at but they did not return fire. They were unarmed.
The Sailors and Marines at the Chatanooga Navy Operational Support Center (NOSC) were the ones who were killed. The CO of NOSC Chatanooga returned fire against the terrorist.
The Navy conducted an investigation into the incident, during which charges against the CO were considered. Carrying a personal weapon on a USN installation is prohibited.
At this time, no charges are expected be brought against the CO, LCDR Timothy White for discharging his personal weapon in the defense against this attack.
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/...arges/31157189/
The drone loving pajama boy would rather the CO were be DEAD, along with his co workers, than be a nasty RULE BREAKER.
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Tell that defenseless victims in Aurora, Virgina Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, Ft. Hood, etc. I'm sure if those victims had a gun they would be worried about how much trouble they were going to be in.
Yeah, yeah. While all that sounds very noble and touching, it's a useless argument. Using a firearm in self defense when your life is in immediate danger, cannot be compared to shooting at a toy drone inside a city limit, where the use of ANY firearm is restricted against such use. You're trying to compare apples to oranges. That rarely works. Especially in trying to make a legal argument.
Tell that defenseless victims in Aurora, Virgina Tech, Luby's Cafeteria, Columbine, Ft. Hood, etc. I'm sure if those victims had a gun they would be worried about how much trouble they were going to be in.
Yeah, yeah. While all that sounds very noble and touching, it's a useless argument. Using a firearm in self defense when your life is in immediate danger, cannot be compared to shooting at a toy drone inside a city limit, where the use of ANY firearm is restricted against such use. You're trying to compare apples to oranges. That rarely works. Especially in trying to make a legal argument.
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
Apparently the pajama boy defending universal peeping Tom drone access is more worried about the "rule" than the lives of servicemen. Makes ME want to barf.
I'm not "worried" about anything. Least of all you, or what you do. If you don't like a law, or "rule" as you like to call it, don't whine to me about it. Get off your dead a$$ and work to get it changed into something you can live with. If you want to shoot at drones, by all means do so. I'm not defending anyone, let alone "peeping toms". And if you want to barf, be sure to do it on your own property, or in your own house so your neighbors don't have to smell it.
Apparently the pajama boy defending universal peeping Tom drone access is more worried about the "rule" than the lives of servicemen. Makes ME want to barf.
I'm not "worried" about anything. Least of all you, or what you do. If you don't like a law, or "rule" as you like to call it, don't whine to me about it. Get off your dead a$$ and work to get it changed into something you can live with. If you want to shoot at drones, by all means do so. I'm not defending anyone, let alone "peeping toms". And if you want to barf, be sure to do it on your own property, or in your own house so your neighbors don't have to smell it.
Lead BB shot and full choke. Gives you more range and penetration than small birdshot.
Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Olas
If its ok to shoot a person who comes onto your property............
It's NOT OK to shoot someone just because they, "came on your property". You can't kill someone in cold blood for trespassing. Unless that person poses a direct and immediate threat to your life or family. You do and you'll find yourself in jail for a long time. Too many people playing lawyers here.
And what's with all this nonsense over drones, "looking into windows" anyway? Does anyone personally know anyone this actually happened to? And I'm not talking about reading about it in the National Enquirer or Star.
I'm not playing lawyer, I live on the other side of the world and was under the impression that you could legally shoot any trespasser. I have a mental image of grandpa on a rocking chair with a shotgun on his lap - probably stereotyped, probably innacurate, but the as an Englishman you probably think I drink tea and play cricket, right?
Originally Posted By: Olas
If its ok to shoot a person who comes onto your property............
It's NOT OK to shoot someone just because they, "came on your property". You can't kill someone in cold blood for trespassing. Unless that person poses a direct and immediate threat to your life or family. You do and you'll find yourself in jail for a long time. Too many people playing lawyers here.
And what's with all this nonsense over drones, "looking into windows" anyway? Does anyone personally know anyone this actually happened to? And I'm not talking about reading about it in the National Enquirer or Star.
I'm not playing lawyer, I live on the other side of the world and was under the impression that you could legally shoot any trespasser. I have a mental image of grandpa on a rocking chair with a shotgun on his lap - probably stereotyped, probably innacurate, but the as an Englishman you probably think I drink tea and play cricket, right?
Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
On private property below the roofline of your home is OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION of the FAA completely. they have no lawful authority to dictate anything for this airspace/property no matter what your flying or why your flying it.
technically (it varies place to place) once you go more than a few feet above the highest object on the property your in “regulated airspace” in most of the united states.
The FAA has jurisdiction, and what would they do if the Drone owner filed suit after you shot down his lawful drone in FAA space?
So all the 'righteous' you need is a sign on your fence stating
"private airspace - unauthorised flying craft will be destroyed"
Then cause and effect come into play and the drone captain consents to you shooting his drone by invading your airspace.
On private property below the roofline of your home is OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION of the FAA completely. they have no lawful authority to dictate anything for this airspace/property no matter what your flying or why your flying it.
technically (it varies place to place) once you go more than a few feet above the highest object on the property your in “regulated airspace” in most of the united states.
The FAA has jurisdiction, and what would they do if the Drone owner filed suit after you shot down his lawful drone in FAA space?
So all the 'righteous' you need is a sign on your fence stating
"private airspace - unauthorised flying craft will be destroyed"
Then cause and effect come into play and the drone captain consents to you shooting his drone by invading your airspace.
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