Which oil for an old 2006 Grand Voyager 2.8 crd automatic

[mougly]

Hello,

I bought an old european Chrysler Grand Voyager 2.8 crd - 2006 with automatic transmission.

I will use it to transport materials for my DIY projects around the house and occasionally tow a small caravan.

I believe it is a clone of the Town and Country. The engine has over 300,000 km (approximately 186,500 miles).

What oil should I use? I still have some cans of Total Ineo MC3 5w30 left. Do you know if this would be suitable (you guessed that I am in Europe) ?

I would hate to have to buy 5w40, but if there is no other choice, then so be it. The cheapest option for me would be 10L (or 2.6 gal) of ELF EVOLUTION 900 5W-40 - A3/B4 API SP - MB 229.5 for around £60 ($70).

Do you know how many kilometres (or miles) it can last if it is reasonably maintained ?

Thank you.

 

[michaelluscher]

When Chrysler sold that engine to us in the U.S (2.8 CRD KJ Liberty)
It specced Chrysler MS-10725 (API CF)
The preferred engine oil is SAE 0W-40 Mobil One Synthetic. If you can not locate SAE 0W-40 Mobil One Synthetic, then SAE 5W-40 Mobil One Synthetic would be acceptable.
https://www.ravenol.de/en/properties/empfehlung/chrysler-ms-10725
https://www.benzworld.org/forums/at...ormula-vs-esp-formula-mb229.5-approval-mu.pdf
Any decent 0/5w-40 Diesel rated oil should be fine
MB-Approval 229.5 would also be a more modern spec for you to find over there
You being in France , I would assume Total brand oil would be more available

Elf Excellium 0W-30 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium 229.5 5W30 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full Tech 0W-30 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full-Tech 5W-40 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Fina First 600 0W-30 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE

Total Activa Energy 9000 0W-30 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 229.5 5W30 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-40 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz Energy 9000 0W-30 X Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE

 

[slacktide_bitog]

What does Chrysler say to use on that 2.8 CRD van? What is the factory OCI recommendation?

The Ineo MC3 doesn't seem appropriate for your engine.

Shell Helix Ultra Diesel is the European name for Rotella

Also, if it uses the same automatic transmission as USDM minivans or otherwise calls for ATF+4, it's worth buying Redline C+ if sold in Europe. If it isn't, it's worth ordering from the US.

Chrysler minivans' biggest weak spot is the transmission. You might want to change it annually or possibly even every OCI. If you don't have a transmission drain plug, get an aftermarket pan that has one. This will make future ATF changes much easier! Here is an aftermarket pan that should work with your car

 

[mougly]

Thank you for your answers.

I change the engine oil every year or every 10,000 km (5,000 miles).

For the transmission, I will use ATF+4 as recommended by Chrysler (every 25,000 miles).

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Woah .. had no idea they put a diesel in these vans for export!

Were they available in a manual or only automatic?

I'm assuming these didn't sell well? Europe has much better MPVs available domestically

 

[mougly]

Manual and automatic.

But the chrysler is much reliable (this version especialy) : no dpf, no problem with egr, solid engine.

Only 2 or 3 points of failure : the diesel heater , the oil cooler and the water pump it is a pain to change it.

 

[mougly]

Hello, I think I have found the right oil for this old engine : castrol gtx 10w40 api sp.

It is cheap, 100% syn, and should have the right quality : low pour point (-30°).

 

[Popsy]

I'd stick with MB-Approval 229.5, but probably the engine won't see any difference.
If you have a truck shop nearby you could get good deals on Shell Rimula 10W-40 for ex.

 

[mougly]

In France, all petroleum products are heavily taxed. The gtx costs "only" $43 per 1,3 gallon. And the rimula is more expansive.

Thank you for the pan, I will buy it.

 

[ripcord]

My brother had an 05 Jeep Liberty with the 2.8 CRD engine. Based on that experience, my heartfelt and sincere advice is to sell that vehicle as fast as you can. My brother spent so much money keeping his running that he could have bought and paid for it 3 times over. The turbo died, the fuel pump needed replaced, injectors went bad, the head cracked, rocket arms broke, the EGR plugged up. I was constantly cleaning the MAP sensor and the intake manifold was choked with carbon.

Maybe the worst problem is how parts were hard to get and how expensive they were. On one trip he had the ECU die and there wasn't a single replacement available in the whole country. It sat at the shop where it was towed to for months.

Edit: I see that you are located in Europe so perhaps parts are more available.

 

[mougly]

I bought it for $700, and honestly, I find this car very reliable for a 20-year-old car. The EGR is pneumatic and can be easily disabled with a screw. This solves the problem of clogged sensors. Then you need a catch can to prevent the injectors from clogging, and I will use Stanadyne from time to time. No problem with the turbo.

I think that engine requires detergent oil to maintain the reliability and to do OCI every 6000 miles max.

My grand voyager has 199000 miles and the only points of failure are the oil cooler and the rear doors close now only manualy. It is more reliable than Peugeot HDI or Renault DCI van.

 

[CleanSump]

CF is an obsolete diesel spec, but was plenty good for pre-DPF engines and I ran a 1992 Mercedes diesel on that spec for 348k miles (560051 km). You have ULSD fuel and it can definitely handle that and the soot levels you'll see. The Castrol GTX may be kind of old fashioned, but it will work. A regular HDEO will work too if you can get one cheap.

 

[SureshR]

Hello, I think I have found the right oil for this old engine : castrol gtx 10w40 api sp.

It is cheap, 100% syn, and should have the right quality : low pour point (-30°).

That is a petrol spec. Why do you want it for a diesel car except that it carries an additional diesel approval?

Go ahead and pick up any HDEO 15w40 10w30 5w40 etc rated API CK4 and/or ACEA E7/E9 etc. You'd probably be better off with an older API CI4+ / ACEA A3/B4 on that thing in fact, much more robust spec with no need of dialing things down to support emission controls.

 

[97prizm]

Woah .. had no idea they put a diesel in these vans for export!

Were they available in a manual or only automatic?

I'm assuming these didn't sell well? Europe has much better MPVs available domestically

Check out David Tracy's wild Jalopnik stories of him flying out to Germany to visit family and picking up a diesel manual Chrysler voyager. It's really interesting.

 

[mougly]

It's just a question of cost and the GTX is also made for diesel, it says so on it.

and api ck4 is hard to find in France. I only found volvo oil 10w30 api ck4 at the same price of the gtx.

i can try it.

 

[Popsy]

You seem set on that Castrol so what can we say?
I'm guessing $43 for 1,3 gallons would make what...around 35€ for 5L? That seems high for such an oil, but I'm guessing you also checked online and in bulk at some parts distributors, haven't been in France in quite a while though.

 

[Number_35]

Check out David Tracy's wild Jalopnik stories of him flying out to Germany to visit family and picking up a diesel manual Chrysler voyager. It's really interesting.

I enjoyed that series.

 

[mougly]

Thank you for providing me with relevant information. I found some cheap Castrol Vectron E9.