Which oil? 3 cars, short trips

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D.P.R.

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Hello fellow BITOG members. I've been reading posts on OCI based on time and not miles but would like your recommendations (besides, what else is to discuss that hasn't been discussed already).
* cars in South Florida = high heat/no winter and high humidity/moisture.
* cars do only short trips (from 2 to 8 mi).
*I've been doing 5k mi, 0w-20 bulk dealer oil changes for warranty but that always result in oil changes longer than 6 months.
*cars are 2018 & 2022 Mazda 2.5 D.I. non- turbo and 2021 Toyota 2.5 hybrid.

I cannot change the oil myself. Now that warranty is over I will purchase oil & filter and take it to a local shop. I plan to do 6 mo. instead of 5K mi OCI. What oil has strong fuel dilution resistance (due to short trips), strong shear/VI stability (due to south FL heat and humidity)?
I am thinking an oil in 0w30 would provide better protection against fuel dilution and would be better in a hot climate but which one is also good on a time based OCI instead of miles?
*for the Toyota Hybrid- looking for protection with fuel economy.
*for the Mazdas 2.5 D.I. non turbo= AFE 0w30 vs ESP 0w30?

Thanks in advanced.
 
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Here are a couple choices of 0W-30 oils, all of which contain varying percentages of group 4 on their MSDS. I have learned in some cases these same oils lose the group 4 when you move to their 5W-30 versions of the that oil, if that matters to you. The 5W-30 Kendall oil I listed here does have some group 4 base in it, however. The easiest to get and lowest cost is the Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30, right on the Walmart shelf in my town. The highest priced is probably the Motul or Liqui Moly. The Valvoline here may be a decent choice as you can order it direct from Valvoline delivered to your door, I have read customer reviews and they like their service, I will try to post some links here for you to look at. These are all quality oils, IMO. All of these are ACEA C3 or A3/B4 European spec oils. They all have the HTHS Value of >3.5 %. This means none of them meet the API SP or SQ ratings. The HTHS is related to oil film strength. If you are concerned about staying in your owner's manual recommendations, you may want to look into that. I am not an expert on this like so many here on Bitog so take my info with a grain of salt. My intention is not to lead you astray! Take Care @D.P.R.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-esp-0w-30

https://www.castrol.com/en_us/unite...e-oils/castrol-edge-euro.html#tab_0w-30 a3/b4

https://shop.valvolineglobal.com/products/european-vehicle-full-synthetic-motor-oil-sae-0w-30

https://kendallmotoroils.com/kendall-gt-1-euro-plus-5w-30-motor-oil

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/top-tec-4210-sae-0w-30-p005106.html#22158

https://www.motul.com/en-US/products/17724?id=17724&product=MOTUL+8100+X-CLEAN++EFE+0W-30
 
GI_GRIFF said:
Here are a couple choices of 0W-30 oils, all of which contain varying percentages of group 4 on their MSDS. I have learned in some cases these same oils lose the group 4 when you move to their 5W-30 versions of the that oil, if that matters to you. The 5W-30 Kendall oil I listed here does have some group 4 base in it, however. The easiest to get and lowest cost is the Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30, right on the Walmart shelf in my town. The highest priced is probably the Motul or Liqui Moly. The Valvoline here may be a decent choice as you can order it direct from Valvoline delivered to your door, I have read customer reviews and they like their service, I will try to post some links here for you to look at. These are all quality oils, IMO. All of these are ACEA C3 or A3/B4 European spec oils. They all have the HTHS Value of >3.5 %. This means none of them meet the API SP or SQ ratings. The HTHS is related to oil film strength. If you are concerned about staying in your owner's manual recommendations, you may want to look into that. I am not an expert on this like so many here on Bitog so take my info with a grain of salt. My intention is not to lead you astray! Take Care @D.P.R.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-esp-0w-30

https://www.castrol.com/en_us/united-states/home/products/our-brands/automotive/castrol-edge-oils/castrol-edge-euro.html#tab_0w-30 a3/b4

https://shop.valvolineglobal.com/products/european-vehicle-full-synthetic-motor-oil-sae-0w-30

https://kendallmotoroils.com/kendall-gt-1-euro-plus-5w-30-motor-oil

https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/top-tec-4210-sae-0w-30-p005106.html#22158

https://www.motul.com/en-US/products/17724?id=17724&product=MOTUL+8100+X-CLEAN++EFE+0W-30
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You, sir, are correct. Availability on Walmart is the reason I leaned towards Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 and the reason I picked 0w30 grade are the various posts here on BIGOT praising ESP over AFE.
 
facility1 said:
there is really no reason to run a 0w-30 oil in your climate, just go to Walmart and select a 5w-30 synthetic of your choice and filter.
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But many posts suggest Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 seem to have better formulation than many OTS 5w30 oils. I may be generalizing here. Also, it is not just the heat but also the moisture combined with the type of driving.
5w30 opens the door for a lot more brands, some better than others. Which readily available brand would you use?
 
D.P.R. said:
But many posts suggest Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 seem to have better formulation than many OTS 5w30 oils. I may be generalizing here. Also, it is not just the heat but also the moisture combined with the type of driving.
5w30 opens the door for a lot more brands, some better than others. Which readily available brand would you use?
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The 0W-30 is better formulated IMO.
 
facility1 said:
there seems to be a lot of Mobil fan boys here, and rather blind to other better case options on the market, not one size always fits all ..
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You seem hell-bent on knocking any Mobil 1 recommendations by making passive remarks about others' recommendations before giving your own. What makes your recommendation so much superior to any others? Especially given the fact that your recommendations are basically the same price. All of them are $25-29. It can't be savings.

Post some proof that anything you recommend is better than Mobil 1 for the application for which the OP is asking about. If you don't, you're just posting an opinion based on personal experience, just like everyone else, myself included. The only difference? You don't see me knocking other members' recommendations.

Post up your recommendation if you feel inclined. If you don't offer any data to back your "superior" recommendation, don't knock other members' recommendations because you don't like Mobil 1. The OP asked for recommendations; the OP's getting them.

That's why I say these "What oil?" posts are usually fruitless. They get every brand mentioned, and they'll still have to choose one.

Mobil 1, Pennzoil, Valvoline, Havoline,... they'll all do the job with sensible OCI's. :ROFLMAO:

Cheers! 🍻
 
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facility1 said:
why doesn't this surprise me.
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The OP specifically stated "*for the Mazdas 2.5 D.I. non turbo= AFE 0w30 vs ESP 0w30?" So he got an opinion on those two oils. Not everyone who uses or recommends Mobil is a "fanboy".

And yes, I use Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 in my Turbo Mazda 2.5. I did not use Mobil 1 in my past vehicles. Am I still a "Fanboy"?
 
Been running Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w-30 in my Toyota 2.5 - but its ICE not hybrid / atkinson cycle. Have heard hybrid is more prone to dilution for some reason.

Don't know about the other two but I assume any xxw-30 would be good. ESP is good, but for short OCI anything should be fine. I wouldn't consider 8miles when starting out at most normal Florida temps to be a short trip.
 
I would go with either Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 or Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30. Possibly the new Mobil 1 Advanced clean. My goal is to get my pistons clean and keep them that way with an easily off the shelf oil from Walmart.

I upped from 0W-20 to 5W-30 Valvoline Restore and Protect in my Pilot based on the short trips and fuel dilution. After about 5k the viscosity drops to top of the 20 range.

There are multiple documented carbon/ring issues from what I consider honest, respected and respectful members here. That was with them using what was always presumed to be "good" full synthetic oils but still developed oil burning.
 
Propflux01 said:
The OP specifically stated "*for the Mazdas 2.5 D.I. non turbo= AFE 0w30 vs ESP 0w30?" So he got an opinion on those two oils. Not everyone who uses or recommends Mobil is a "fanboy".

And yes, I use Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 in my Turbo Mazda 2.5. I did not use Mobil 1 in my past vehicles. Am I still a "Fanboy"?
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Fan boy? Maybe a fan man! 😷 💪
 
Propflux01 said:
The OP specifically stated "*for the Mazdas 2.5 D.I. non turbo= AFE 0w30 vs ESP 0w30?" So he got an opinion on those two oils. Not everyone who uses or recommends Mobil is a "fanboy".

And yes, I use Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 in my Turbo Mazda 2.5. I did not use Mobil 1 in my past vehicles. Am I still a "Fanboy"?
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I believe its "fanboi" . It maintains the derogatory slang meaning online. :ROFLMAO:

I use Mobil 1 when its cheap. I am a fanboi of heavily discounted oil from whomever.
 
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