Which of these winter tires should I pick?

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Originally Posted By: satinsilver
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Interesting. My MB 240D has lightweight forged aluminum "steelies" that take a hubcap over them. It's just to keep unsprung mass down on a low power car. Wonder what the plug in wheels are under the caps - I'd guess something similar if not just a five spoke alloy.

Thanks for the leads on the center caps. I think not saying H would bother me a bit...


I think the second picture shows what the wheels look like without the hubcaps on. Which I didn't catch at first. I've seen this on a Prius also.


I asked that on the other forum because that's what I suspected too... My parents' Prius is set up like that.
 
Originally Posted By: SubLGT
I don't know of any winter tire manufacturers who endorse using their dedicated winter tires for summer use. For that purpose, there are all-weather tires, such as the Nokian WRG3, the Toyo Celsius, the Michelin CrossClimate, etc. They are approved for summer use, but also have the snowflake symbol on the sidewall. They are essentially all-season tires with enhanced ice and snow traction.

Checked out your links for the Mich CrossClims. Appears like they are using their Xice3 tread compounds. Wonder what improvement they have made. I just don't see much compromise already in my experience with the Xice3 compounds, so why not let it loose on the marketing dept with a new CrossClim name?
 
Originally Posted By: satinsilver
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Interesting. My MB 240D has lightweight forged aluminum "steelies" that take a hubcap over them. It's just to keep unsprung mass down on a low power car. Wonder what the plug in wheels are under the caps - I'd guess something similar if not just a five spoke alloy.

Thanks for the leads on the center caps. I think not saying H would bother me a bit...


I think the second picture shows what the wheels look like without the hubcaps on. Which I didn't catch at first. I've seen this on a Prius also.


Just checked Bernardi parts and there is a 5-spoke alloy Snd then a hubcap. Parts are $$$ even there...
 
Do you work at michelin or something.
xice xi3 started in 2012 not 2010.

Originally Posted By: ExMachina

Bought my Xi3s on 9/2010 and still driving on them.
Will buy another set for the Tire Rack this fall.
 
Originally Posted By: Rand
Do you work at michelin or something.
xice xi3 started in 2012 not 2010.

Originally Posted By: SHOZ

Bought my Xi3s on 9/2010 and still driving on them.
Will buy another set for the Tire Rack this fall.


There, I fixed the source of your quote. Not me that said that. I think it was 2012 or so when the Xice3 came out. Yes there were earlier versions though. I don't "work at" Michelin, just a fan based on outstanding performance.
 
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: Rand
Do you work at michelin or something.
xice xi3 started in 2012 not 2010.

Originally Posted By: SHOZ

Bought my Xi3s on 9/2010 and still driving on them.
Will buy another set for the Tire Rack this fall.


There, I fixed the source of your quote. Not me that said that. I think it was 2012 or so when the Xice3 came out. Yes there were earlier versions though. I don't "work at" Michelin, just a fan based on outstanding performance.


Whoops guys not sure how that happened posting from the smartphone is dangerous
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back on topic the xice xi2 is very similar in everyway to the xice xi3 but the xi3 are generally considered to be slightly better in every performance aspect.
 
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So, when can we expect to see vendors actually stocking the latest winter tires and offering deals?

Costco currently has a great deal in the Bridgestone ws80, but as of now I'm not sure it's the best tire for my needs. However, for example, the Dunlop 4D only is two in stock in the 16" size I'm interested in, from Tire Rack...
 
Soon, DTD will have a labor day sale which usually is the start of their winter tire sales.. And Tirerack will have a winter tire sale "get ready get fifty $" It usually runs from 3rd/4th week of august to end of september.


You might also consider the WinterContactSI
its new this year and I considered the old model one of the top winter tires. This looks improved in several areas.
Wet traction, lower rolling resistance.. etc
 
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Originally Posted By: Rand
Soon, DTD will have a labor day sale which usually is the start of their winter tire sales.

Yeah, I am waiting for Labor sale/rebate(s) from either DTD or DT/AT. The tires on my E430 is fairly low(very low for some of you), just above 2/32" front and just below 3/32" rear. Normally we don't have rain from May till November/December, bald tires are okay on dry surface.

Since we may have heavy rain this coming winter because of El Nino, I need to replace these worn out tires before November/December.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
So, when can we expect to see vendors actually stocking the latest winter tires and offering deals?

Costco currently has a great deal in the Bridgestone ws80, but as of now I'm not sure it's the best tire for my needs. However, for example, the Dunlop 4D only is two in stock in the 16" size I'm interested in, from Tire Rack...


you never defined your needs, yet, other than you need a winter tire.

Once you defined your needs, then you can start to narrow down the list.
 
Black steelies look okay with plastic wheel covers. They also are not as delicate as alloy wheels if in winter your local roads fall apart like ours do.
 
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
So, when can we expect to see vendors actually stocking the latest winter tires and offering deals?

Costco currently has a great deal in the Bridgestone ws80, but as of now I'm not sure it's the best tire for my needs. However, for example, the Dunlop 4D only is two in stock in the 16" size I'm interested in, from Tire Rack...


you never defined your needs, yet, other than you need a winter tire.

Once you defined your needs, then you can start to narrow down the list.



Actually I did...

Originally Posted By: JHZR2


The reality is that my use is around four months of use - usually installed after thanksgiving and removed after the first or second warm spell in March. Most use is on dry/wet roads, but at night it can freeze. Typical times I'm out are in slush, though packed powder is typical too. It's just not like 6" of packed snow/ice bed usually except when we go up to VT skiing. Going to our mountain house in PA, we can encounter packed snow but they're good about putting down lots of coal cinders. My main concern is having superior stopping power as well as the ability to make it up steep suspension bridges when icy/slushy/snow covered.

So a tire more based for wet and slush is probably smart, but it seems like some of the better ones like the ws80 might be a decent compromise.


Your profile says youre from NJ. Sure, Cape May is different from Warren County, but you should unerstand the climate and generally what its like. Often the roads are dry. Sometimes they are slushy or black ice. Only in storms or a day or three after are the roads truly coated...
 
VR, HR - the R means radial, it is not any speed or load rating, just construction.
Nowadays it probably could be skipped for any car tire.

Krzys
 
Originally Posted By: krzyss
VR, HR - the R means radial, it is not any speed or load rating, just construction.
Nowadays it probably could be skipped for any car tire.
Krzys

VR means the tire was tested to 149 mph speed, and HR to 130 mph, and it does indicate how tough the tire is. Its a speed rating. Not load rating. Its how much margin it has structurally during heat build-up and stress.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2


Your profile says youre from NJ. Sure, Cape May is different from Warren County, but you should unerstand the climate and generally what its like. Often the roads are dry. Sometimes they are slushy or black ice. Only in storms or a day or three after are the roads truly coated...


Who said I was from Cape May?

I'm in Sussex Co, near the town of Sussex.

So, yes, I do understand what Warren Co is like in the winter, it's easier than Sussex Co.
 
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Last year I bought my first set of winter tires. I decided to try the Michelin X-ice Xi3. They are almost as good as the LTX MS2s on my truck in deep snow. But they really perform on ice and slushy roads. While the car gets moving easier, the stopping distance is nothing short of amazing. I drove my Focus more than the truck, because the Focus with the Xi3s performed better than my truck with the LTX MS2s. I saw a few reviews that said they were not as good on wet roads, but that is not my experience at all. I think they are great on wet roads as well. I think they are a little squishy when it gets above 50 degree, but it is not an extreme and they still feel good and confident. The only thing I don't care for is they have an unusual center feel when driving in a straight line. I assume that is because of the groove down the center of the tread to evacuate water. Over all I am very happy with the tires.
 
Originally Posted By: jmb3675
Last year I bought my first set of winter tires. I decided to try the Michelin X-ice Xi3. They are almost as good as the LTX MS2s on my truck in deep snow. But they really perform on ice and slushy roads. While the car gets moving easier, the stopping distance is nothing short of amazing. I drove my Focus more than the truck, because the Focus with the Xi3s performed better than my truck with the LTX MS2s. I saw a few reviews that said they were not as good on wet roads, but that is not my experience at all. I think they are great on wet roads as well. I think they are a little squishy when it gets above 50 degree, but it is not an extreme and they still feel good and confident. The only thing I don't care for is they have an unusual center feel when driving in a straight line. I assume that is because of the groove down the center of the tread to evacuate water. Over all I am very happy with the tires.




I MUCH prefer driving my Focus in the snow over my Jeep ... even when the Jeep has true winter tires on it. It's much more predictable and has no problem with deep snow.
 
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: krzyss
VR, HR - the R means radial, it is not any speed or load rating, just construction.
Nowadays it probably could be skipped for any car tire.
Krzys

VR means the tire was tested to 149 mph speed, and HR to 130 mph, and it does indicate how tough the tire is. Its a speed rating. Not load rating. Its how much margin it has structurally during heat build-up and stress.


Speed ratings on the sidewall are designated by a single letter, not by two. It is V, not VR. It is H, not HR. It is R, not RR. You are the only person on the planet who uses 2 letters to designate the speed rating.
 
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