Which Napa filters better?
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What is your intended OCI? If you plan on exceeding 10k, you will want the Platinum. Otherwise, stick with the Gold
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Originally Posted by Bill_W
Napa Gold or Napa Platinum? Price does not matter. Smallest particle size wins.
Platinum are increased flow and Gold are increased trapping.
Some vehicles desire more flow - some want more trapping.
My Hyundai and Colorado are made for increased flow filters. Our Malibu was intended for increased trapping.
Find out what kind of filter was installed in the factory and you will know which is best intended for your vehicle. We have members here that have run basic filters like Proline at Pep Boys for over 325K. So unless you own a hard engine that either gets dirty quickly - or prone to sludge, basic filters are all you need. I like Fram EGs (lighter duty) and Wix (mid grade). But I use and try different makes all the time.
Napa Gold or Napa Platinum? Price does not matter. Smallest particle size wins.
Platinum are increased flow and Gold are increased trapping.
Some vehicles desire more flow - some want more trapping.
My Hyundai and Colorado are made for increased flow filters. Our Malibu was intended for increased trapping.
Find out what kind of filter was installed in the factory and you will know which is best intended for your vehicle. We have members here that have run basic filters like Proline at Pep Boys for over 325K. So unless you own a hard engine that either gets dirty quickly - or prone to sludge, basic filters are all you need. I like Fram EGs (lighter duty) and Wix (mid grade). But I use and try different makes all the time.
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Bill_W
Napa Gold or Napa Platinum? Price does not matter. Smallest particle size wins.
Platinum are increased flow and Gold are increased trapping.
Some vehicles desire more flow - some want more trapping.
My Hyundai and Colorado are made for increased flow filters. Our Malibu was intended for increased trapping.
4 words ... positive displacement oil pump.
Do you have the design specs of how much flow those vehicles are actually designed for ... and also the flow vs delta-p specs of all those oil filters?
Originally Posted by Bill_W
Napa Gold or Napa Platinum? Price does not matter. Smallest particle size wins.
Platinum are increased flow and Gold are increased trapping.
Some vehicles desire more flow - some want more trapping.
My Hyundai and Colorado are made for increased flow filters. Our Malibu was intended for increased trapping.
4 words ... positive displacement oil pump.
Do you have the design specs of how much flow those vehicles are actually designed for ... and also the flow vs delta-p specs of all those oil filters?
Wix makes many statements that XP, or Napa Platinum is best for the hardest use etc.. Too bad someone with actual knowledge couldn't be contacted to find out the scoop. In addition to their web site data.
How many years have people been saying flow stays constant with a standard auto oil pump. and people still keep talking about how the filter changes flow?
How many years have people been saying flow stays constant with a standard auto oil pump. and people still keep talking about how the filter changes flow?
Good times.
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Platinum are increased flow and Gold are increased trapping.
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Excellent. I wish more people would realize filtration is a bit of an art, a trade off between quick flow and particle entrapment. People who blindly judge filters by micron efficiency alone are really missing the point.
Platinum are increased flow and Gold are increased trapping.
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Excellent. I wish more people would realize filtration is a bit of an art, a trade off between quick flow and particle entrapment. People who blindly judge filters by micron efficiency alone are really missing the point.
Originally Posted by gfh77665
Excellent. I wish more people would realize filtration is a bit of an art, a trade off between quick flow and particle entrapment. People who blindly judge filters by micron efficiency alone are really missing the point.
So you're skilled in this art?
What filters/brands are more artistic than others? Which should we buy?
Excellent. I wish more people would realize filtration is a bit of an art, a trade off between quick flow and particle entrapment. People who blindly judge filters by micron efficiency alone are really missing the point.
So you're skilled in this art?
What filters/brands are more artistic than others? Which should we buy?
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by gfh77665
Excellent. I wish more people would realize filtration is a bit of an art, a trade off between quick flow and particle entrapment. People who blindly judge filters by micron efficiency alone are really missing the point.
So you're skilled in this art?
What filters/brands are more artistic than others? Which should we buy?
Buy the one that fits your engine, according to the manufacturer. Too many here use the opposite.... ie... high trapping in an engine intended for better flow.
....and please don't tell us Fram Ultras trap the best and flow the best. That makes me dizzy thinking about it. Besides, It's still Monday morning and some of us are still reeling from the weekend at home.
Besides Pt2, we can't all have the biggest and best tasting cake and eat it too - in only one sitting.
Some of us like to stand when we eat our cake and breakdown every morsel of it.....lol
Originally Posted by gfh77665
Excellent. I wish more people would realize filtration is a bit of an art, a trade off between quick flow and particle entrapment. People who blindly judge filters by micron efficiency alone are really missing the point.
So you're skilled in this art?
What filters/brands are more artistic than others? Which should we buy?
Buy the one that fits your engine, according to the manufacturer. Too many here use the opposite.... ie... high trapping in an engine intended for better flow.
....and please don't tell us Fram Ultras trap the best and flow the best. That makes me dizzy thinking about it. Besides, It's still Monday morning and some of us are still reeling from the weekend at home.
Besides Pt2, we can't all have the biggest and best tasting cake and eat it too - in only one sitting.
Some of us like to stand when we eat our cake and breakdown every morsel of it.....lol
Gold's are better than good enough.
Originally Posted by kschachn
So you're skilled in this art?
What filters/brands are more artistic than others? Which should we buy?
Whats your problem? I don't know where that snark came from. No, I am not "skilled in the art" of filters, primarily because I do not manufacture filters, like Wix or Fram does. I never even remotely implied I make filters. I am just an individual.
I do know a balance is necessary between filtration and flow. Either extreme, be it very high filtration with diminished flow, OR, very high flow with very poor filtration is not optimal. Wix and others do a great job of achieving a good balance. Just buy a high quality filter and rest easy.
So you're skilled in this art?
What filters/brands are more artistic than others? Which should we buy?
Whats your problem? I don't know where that snark came from. No, I am not "skilled in the art" of filters, primarily because I do not manufacture filters, like Wix or Fram does. I never even remotely implied I make filters. I am just an individual.
I do know a balance is necessary between filtration and flow. Either extreme, be it very high filtration with diminished flow, OR, very high flow with very poor filtration is not optimal. Wix and others do a great job of achieving a good balance. Just buy a high quality filter and rest easy.
Buying a new car. My last new car was a Miata in 2009. I get the difference between high mileage and high filtration filters. So my 2019 Miata I would like to start that car with short oil changes and get the junk out. I understand in 2009 the oil recommended for my Miata was 5w-20, Now the tolerances are tighter on car engines, and the oil required now for the Miata is 0w-20. Heck they even have a 0w-16 oil out there. For my 2009 Miata I have chosen a Fram Ultra Synthetic filter, still a 99+ at 20 micron filter per ISO standard. For my new car that have tighter tolerances and has that 0w-20. At least for the first 3 oil changes I want to focus on the microns, since I will be changing the filters pretty quick. As far as NAPA filters, I heard that there was a smoking deal on them. However when I went to my local NAPA dealer that sale was not around here.
So... Back to my micron search again. Who has the best filter for a short duration oil change, smallest micron?
So... Back to my micron search again. Who has the best filter for a short duration oil change, smallest micron?
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OVERKILL
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Originally Posted by gfh77665
Originally Posted by kschachn
So you're skilled in this art?
What filters/brands are more artistic than others? Which should we buy?
Whats your problem? I don't know where that snark came from. No, I am not "skilled in the art" of filters, primarily because I do not manufacture filters, like Wix or Fram does. I never even remotely implied I make filters. I am just an individual.
I do know a balance is necessary between filtration and flow. Either extreme, be it very high filtration with diminished flow, OR, very high flow with very poor filtration is not optimal. Wix and others do a great job of achieving a good balance. Just buy a high quality filter and rest easy.
Synthetic media filters both flow better and filter better. There is plenty of information from Donaldson, Fleetguard and a few others out there.
Originally Posted by kschachn
So you're skilled in this art?
What filters/brands are more artistic than others? Which should we buy?
Whats your problem? I don't know where that snark came from. No, I am not "skilled in the art" of filters, primarily because I do not manufacture filters, like Wix or Fram does. I never even remotely implied I make filters. I am just an individual.
I do know a balance is necessary between filtration and flow. Either extreme, be it very high filtration with diminished flow, OR, very high flow with very poor filtration is not optimal. Wix and others do a great job of achieving a good balance. Just buy a high quality filter and rest easy.
Synthetic media filters both flow better and filter better. There is plenty of information from Donaldson, Fleetguard and a few others out there.
OVERKILL
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Further to my above post, some quotes from Cummins which I posted in another thread, but seem suitable to post again here:
Originally Posted by Cummins
Cellulose media is older technology used when high efficiency or long term filtration is not the main concern. Due to volumes used, cellulose is the most inexpensive media with which to build a filter. Cellulose fibers are made of wood pulp and are irregular in shape. Cellulose fibers are larger than synthetics fibers. These two factors cause high
restriction in cellulose media.
Originally Posted by Cummins
Fiberglass media was the first high efficiency/low restriction media used in filtration. Cummins Filtration was the first company to develop a glass fiber media for use in an engine lube system. This product was named "Microglass". Microglass media has a much greater capacity and efficiency than a Cellulose media. These small round fibers allow for more pores per unit area. Since these pores are smaller than a comparable cellulose, glass medias have much better efficiency. Since there are many more pores, glass medias have a much greater capacity than a comparable cellulose, yet has a much lower restriction. The lower restriction is because the fibers are smaller in diameter than cellulose and are round in cross section.
Originally Posted by Cummins
The latest generation of synthetic media is StrataPore. Made using a meltblown process, polymers are used as a base material rather than glass. StrataPore is a patented media developed by Cummins Filtration. StrataPore has a micron range from 2-25 microns absolute depending on application. StrataPore, like glass media, has straight, round fibers that allow for high efficiency and high capacity while maintaining low restriction. Unlike glass, these fibers are continuous from one end of the filter to the other.
Originally Posted by Cummins
Cellulose media is older technology used when high efficiency or long term filtration is not the main concern. Due to volumes used, cellulose is the most inexpensive media with which to build a filter. Cellulose fibers are made of wood pulp and are irregular in shape. Cellulose fibers are larger than synthetics fibers. These two factors cause high
restriction in cellulose media.
Originally Posted by Cummins
Fiberglass media was the first high efficiency/low restriction media used in filtration. Cummins Filtration was the first company to develop a glass fiber media for use in an engine lube system. This product was named "Microglass". Microglass media has a much greater capacity and efficiency than a Cellulose media. These small round fibers allow for more pores per unit area. Since these pores are smaller than a comparable cellulose, glass medias have much better efficiency. Since there are many more pores, glass medias have a much greater capacity than a comparable cellulose, yet has a much lower restriction. The lower restriction is because the fibers are smaller in diameter than cellulose and are round in cross section.
Originally Posted by Cummins
The latest generation of synthetic media is StrataPore. Made using a meltblown process, polymers are used as a base material rather than glass. StrataPore is a patented media developed by Cummins Filtration. StrataPore has a micron range from 2-25 microns absolute depending on application. StrataPore, like glass media, has straight, round fibers that allow for high efficiency and high capacity while maintaining low restriction. Unlike glass, these fibers are continuous from one end of the filter to the other.
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Synthetic media filters both flow better and filter better. .
They do, but there is still a balance and trade off regardless of the type of media. You could theoretically have a synthetic media too dense that restricts flow, or one too porous that filters poorly. Manufactures seek the sweet spot.
Synthetic media filters both flow better and filter better. .
They do, but there is still a balance and trade off regardless of the type of media. You could theoretically have a synthetic media too dense that restricts flow, or one too porous that filters poorly. Manufactures seek the sweet spot.
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