Which gasoline has PEA?

[DGXR]

I understand Techron is a patented product that contains PEA, but nobody has a patent on PEA as a fuel additive. Maybe there is a company that has patented their method of producing the chemical PEA...?
Redline SI-1 has lots of PEA, maybe more than Techron concentrate on the shelf. Sorry I cannot help you about which fuel brands contain PEA besides Chevron. I'm guessing at least a few, given how effective it is.

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted by DGXR
I understand Techron is a patented product that contains PEA, but nobody has a patent on PEA as a fuel additive. Maybe there is a company that has patented their method of producing the chemical PEA...?
Redline SI-1 has lots of PEA, maybe more than Techron concentrate on the shelf. Sorry I cannot help you about which fuel brands contain PEA besides Chevron. I'm guessing at least a few, given how effective it is.

Patents on chemicals and chemical processes have to be very specific. A lot of patents are about a "novel use" or one for a specific use that nobody else might have thought of previously. Even then it can't be so broad that others might be able to tweak this or that and stay away from patent litigation. On top of that, we're dealing with proprietary formulations, so it may be difficult to prove. I don't believe Chevron or Phillips (owner of Red Line) actually make their own PEA. Maybe BASF does, but they've got their hands on lots of little things. More likely they buy from one of the big chemical companies with the properties they're looking for. Also - I don't believe they necessarily get a pure single chemical. It's going to be a range of different molecules.

 

[4WD]

Sure … seems that's what Synergy is … a recipe formulated by ExxonMobil Research Engineering and then mixed from purchased chemicals using that process. Nobody mocks Warren for something similar in oil.

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted by 4WD
Sure … seems that's what Synergy is … a recipe formulated by ExxonMobil Research Engineering and then mixed from purchased chemicals using that process. Nobody mocks Warren for something similar in oil.

Not sure why anyone really needs to do that other than for marketing purposes. BASF, Lubrizol, and Afton all have Top Tier tested additives. They could just pay another company for an off the shelf additive, submit the proven test results, and call it a day without all the development costs. Heck - Chevron Oronite isn't terribly particular about selling additives to Chevron's retail fuel competitors.

 

[Luftmasse]

So is there a way to tell who has the best additive package in their gasoline? Such as Chevron with Techron (PEA), ExxonMobil with Synergy, Shell with V-Power Nitro, Costco with Lubrizol?

 

[4WD]

I think the days of singular issues and resultant solutions are lost on us but not the research guys. They tend to turn problems into opportunities. The same companies that know turbo, DI, and overall compression increases cause fuel diluted oil - say why not use that same conduit for cleaning and upper cylinder lubricants (that are probably not oil).

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted by painfx
So is there a way to tell who has the best additive package in their gasoline? Such as Chevron with Techron (PEA), ExxonMobil with Synergy, Shell with V-Power Nitro, Costco with Lubrizol?

I guess you'd also need to ask the famous actor's saying "What's my motivation?"

There are standard test sequences. They may not handle everything, but those are the standards for EPA minimum standards and meeting Top Tier requirements. Start with a rebuilt engine, run the seuqence, and measure the weight of the deposits. I guess one issue might be newer types of engines (especially GDI) with a different set of problems.

Meeting the Top Tier standard is generally enough these days. I certainly wouldn't worry about whether or not the additive contains any particular compounds. It just needs to do the job.

 

[y_p_w]

Originally Posted by 4WD
I think the days of singular issues and resultant solutions are lost on us but not the research guys. They tend to turn problems into opportunities. The same companies that know turbo, DI, and overall compression increases cause fuel diluted oil - say why not use that same conduit for cleaning and upper cylinder lubricants (that are probably not oil).

Sure. However, it doesn't have to be a vertically integrated solution. I'm pretty sure that the big players (Afton, BASF, Lubrizol, Oronite) are constantly developing and testing new additives in order to stay current with newer types of engines. It's at the point where companies can direct all this stuff without having to make or develop their own solutions. Heck - I remember when one of the biggest names (Valero) said that they didn't do anything other than ordinary fuel with whatever generic additive was available at the fuel terminal.

It's not necessarily well known among the general public that base fuel is a fungible commodity and that the additives are often made (and even wholly developed) by someone else. Brand marketing and product differentiation are pretty strong. I know a lot of people who were convinced that a certain brand of fuel was of poor quality, even though almost all fuel sold these days is commodity grade.

 

[anndel01]

Not sure if you can tell from a particular brand's MSDS. Some may list PEA and some would say proprietary.

 

[Blinker]

As of just a couple years ago, Chevron claimed to be the only fuel brand with PEA in its additive package.

 

[DGXR]

Chevron is owned by Standard Oil. Here are some other brand names owned by Standard Oil: Texaco, Unocal, Caltex, Delo, Havoline, Revtex, Ursa and Techron. So it's possible that Unocal and Texaco gas have the same additive package as Chevron. I don't know why they would want to complicate things by having a different additive for every fuel brand under the same ownership, but I guess anything is possible in this crazy world.

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

Chevron is owned by Standard Oil. Here are some other brand names owned by Standard Oil: Texaco, Unocal, Caltex, Delo, Havoline, Revtex, Ursa and Techron. So it's possible that Unocal and Texaco gas have the same additive package as Chevron. I don't know why they would want to complicate things by having a different additive for every fuel brand under the same ownership, but I guess anything is possible in this crazy world.

Em, what?

 

[y_p_w]

Chevron is owned by Standard Oil. Here are some other brand names owned by Standard Oil: Texaco, Unocal, Caltex, Delo, Havoline, Revtex, Ursa and Techron. So it's possible that Unocal and Texaco gas have the same additive package as Chevron. I don't know why they would want to complicate things by having a different additive for every fuel brand under the same ownership, but I guess anything is possible in this crazy world.

That is just all sorts of wrong. Where do I start?

The Standard Oil breakup was over 100 years ago, where Standard Oil of California was the successor. Standard Oil of California changed its corporate name to Chevron Corporation in 1984. They still keep the occasional "Standard" station just to maintain their trademark rights.

Chevron Corporation bought Texaco. They did technically buy Unocal, but at that point it was primarily a petroleum and natural gas exploration company after selling the 76 brand to Tosco. At no point was any retail Unocal or 76 branded fuel associated with Chevron Corporation. The 76 brand is currently part of the Phillips 66 company.

Caltex was a Chevron/Texaco joint venture. They maintained the name after Chevron bought Texaco. I had to look up the name Revtex, which is not something I've ever seen in the United States. Delo was always a Chevron lubricants brand - primary for diesels. Havoline was a Texaco brand although at one time it was part of the Equilon joint project with Shell.

As for fuel additives, Chevron has its Oronite division, which oddly enough sells fuel additives to many of Chevron's direct retail fuel competitors.

https://www.oronite.com/products-technology/fuel-additives.aspx#gasoline/petrol additives

Chevron Oronite has over 2 dozen certified detergent additives. That's the stuff they sell to anyone. Chevron Products only has two - Techron and Chevron 72040. I believe the latter is probably the same as Chevron Oronite OGA 72040.

https://www3.epa.gov/otaq/fuels1/ffars/web-detrg.htm

 

[Blinker]

Chevron is owned by Standard Oil. Here are some other brand names owned by Standard Oil: Texaco, Unocal, Caltex, Delo, Havoline, Revtex, Ursa and Techron. So it's possible that Unocal and Texaco gas have the same additive package as Chevron. I don't know why they would want to complicate things by having a different additive for every fuel brand under the same ownership, but I guess anything is possible in this crazy world.

Which decade did you gather this data from?

 

[Silver]

I don't even know if the stuff works. People say it works, people say the earth is flat and that there are very bad things happening at pizza joints. I've never seen it work, can't find any videos of extended controlled tests or anything else and even if I could, well I wasn't there.

 

[y_p_w]

Which decade did you gather this data from?

Yeah. It's kind of weird how it's all conflated with Standard Oil. When was the last time that any of the old Standard Oil companies that broke up still used that as their corporate name? What? Exxon, Mobil, Chevron, Amoco, ARCO, Conoco, Marathon?

As far as I know, Chevron Products only lists two detergent additives, and those are likely the only ones used by Chevron or Texaco in the United States. The other brands named aren't fuel brands other than CalTex, and who knows what the detergent additive requirements are in different countries where the brand is sold?

 

[DGXR]

Which decade did you gather this data from?

Top 10 Oil & Gas Companies
So... 2018

Yeah. It's kind of weird how it's all conflated with Standard Oil. When was the last time that any of the old Standard Oil companies that broke up still used that as their corporate name? What? Exxon, Mobil, Chevron, Amoco, ARCO, Conoco, Marathon?

As far as I know, Chevron Products only lists two detergent additives, and those are likely the only ones used by Chevron or Texaco in the United States. The other brands named aren't fuel brands other than CalTex, and who knows what the detergent additive requirements are in different countries where the brand is sold?

I didn't say those are fuel brands.,I said they are brands owned by Standard Oil. In the interest of keeping my post relevant to the topic of discussion, I removed some names such as Star Mart, Extra Mile and Town Pantry. But, oh well...

 

[Blinker]

Standard Oil does not exist anymore.

 

[Blinker]

Chevron (as were all the other US oil companies) were once part of Standard Oil. They were broken into separate companies and have since been sold and resold several times.

 

[y_p_w]

Top 10 Oil & Gas Companies
So... 2018


I didn't say those are fuel brands.,I said they are brands owned by Standard Oil. In the interest of keeping my post relevant to the topic of discussion, I removed some names such as Star Mart, Extra Mile and Town Pantry. But, oh well...

No. The article clearly mentions the old Standard Oil, where acquisition of the Pacific Coast Oil Company was in the 19th Century. It was Standard Oil of California until 1984. Your link also makes that pretty clear.

It's Chevron Corporation now. It seems like you pulled all that from the article without understanding much about the history. I grew up with the brand and remember the transition from "Standard" to "Chevron" retail branding. There's still one station in San Francisco that has a Standard branded sign.

And highly relevant to the article is Oronite. Any telling of Chevron and fuel additives should include Oronite. Heck - one of the older brands was Ortho chemicals, which was sold to Monsanto.