That same 3.5 makes over 400 HP in the raptor
Which engine would a Ford tech choose for an F150
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Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Are you having trouble keeping up here? I specifically stated that I was incorrect about the water pump 2 posts ago.
I keep up just fine, thatnls. So then why the nonsense about crying and denial?
Just a pattern I've noticed.
Secondarily, your comment about only dealing in facts was hilarious.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Are you having trouble keeping up here? I specifically stated that I was incorrect about the water pump 2 posts ago.
I keep up just fine, thatnls. So then why the nonsense about crying and denial?
Just a pattern I've noticed.
Secondarily, your comment about only dealing in facts was hilarious.
I have both F150's, nearly identical supercrew's except for engines. A V8 and a 3.5 Ecoboost.
The EB is considerably faster and gets 5mpg more.
The V8 has a "tune" and is worlds more responsive, an order of magnitude smoother and 100% troublefree. The V8 is also far more pleasant to drive on long trips, as it does not sound like a UPS truck. My next F150 will also be a V8.
My good friend has the 2.7EB and it's smoother, better sounding as it revs higher, and even faster! I do like the EB engines. I simply do not like the sound of the big V6.
The EB is considerably faster and gets 5mpg more.
The V8 has a "tune" and is worlds more responsive, an order of magnitude smoother and 100% troublefree. The V8 is also far more pleasant to drive on long trips, as it does not sound like a UPS truck. My next F150 will also be a V8.
My good friend has the 2.7EB and it's smoother, better sounding as it revs higher, and even faster! I do like the EB engines. I simply do not like the sound of the big V6.
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I thought the 3.5EB was not recommended for extensive towing, as per Ford? Not that it wouldn't, but if the customer was after towing, day in and out, then Ford would recommend the 5.0 instead. That is my recollection from a few years ago, so I could be wrong, as Ford might have changed their recommendation.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Not necessary. Going into denial and crying about being wrong is your job.
No problem here admitting that I was unaware the truck 3.5 had a different water pump arrangement.
I just learned of such a design in this thread.
Is the entire design different? Does it rely on a completely new concept from what a "traditional" waterpump relied on?
Like PBM above...when I read the title I thought...thats an easy one...4.9 with 5-speed OD.
Not necessary. Going into denial and crying about being wrong is your job.
No problem here admitting that I was unaware the truck 3.5 had a different water pump arrangement.
I just learned of such a design in this thread.
Is the entire design different? Does it rely on a completely new concept from what a "traditional" waterpump relied on?
Like PBM above...when I read the title I thought...thats an easy one...4.9 with 5-speed OD.
Originally Posted By: 09_GXP
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
The 3.5 is a better engine and these technicians don't know what they're talking about.
One of them cited towing as a reason to choose the coyote over the EB. REALLY? What's he smoking during those smoke breaks?
I wish I could find the quote but when Ford rolled out the 2015 trucks with the new 2.7 EB they mentioned that the 5.0 would still be the recommended motor for customers that do regular towing. I don't have the quote exact but it was something to the effect of the EB motors are meant for someone that tows a boat or camper a few times a summer and the V8 is for the customer that tows a boat or camper a few times a month.
All that being said I tow my race hauler (~26' enclosed) with my 2.7 and can't imagine ever needing more performance. The longevity piece is still a question mark but I'm okay making that trade off to have the engine I want.
I own a mobile service business and my partner uses a 2.7 na tows about a 6000 pound trailer daily, how many miles are on your truck and have you ever service the tranny thanks for the info, his truck has a hundred fifteen thousand miles on it he's scared to service the tranny and thinks he needs more truck ( which in the long-term probably so for the amount of equipment that could be carried in the future)
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
The 3.5 is a better engine and these technicians don't know what they're talking about.
One of them cited towing as a reason to choose the coyote over the EB. REALLY? What's he smoking during those smoke breaks?
I wish I could find the quote but when Ford rolled out the 2015 trucks with the new 2.7 EB they mentioned that the 5.0 would still be the recommended motor for customers that do regular towing. I don't have the quote exact but it was something to the effect of the EB motors are meant for someone that tows a boat or camper a few times a summer and the V8 is for the customer that tows a boat or camper a few times a month.
All that being said I tow my race hauler (~26' enclosed) with my 2.7 and can't imagine ever needing more performance. The longevity piece is still a question mark but I'm okay making that trade off to have the engine I want.
I own a mobile service business and my partner uses a 2.7 na tows about a 6000 pound trailer daily, how many miles are on your truck and have you ever service the tranny thanks for the info, his truck has a hundred fifteen thousand miles on it he's scared to service the tranny and thinks he needs more truck ( which in the long-term probably so for the amount of equipment that could be carried in the future)
Originally Posted By: ArcticDriver
I just learned of such a design in this thread.
Is the entire design different? Does it rely on a completely new concept from what a "traditional" waterpump relied on?
Like PBM above...when I read the title I thought...thats an easy one...4.9 with 5-speed OD.
Pretty much nothing unusual about the car design, except that it is internal to the timing cover. So when it goes, it unloads engine coolant into the crankcase with little or no warning.
My only guess is that because the engine is transverse, they attempted to save space in any way possible. There is one individual who claims that he was told by a Ford engineer that they had designed some sort of weep channel to allow the pump to exhaust its overflow out of the engine. Obviously this does not actually work, assuming it is true.
I'm not a huge fan of timing chain driven water pumps in general, because even external to the engine, a pump seizure means your timing assembly is destroyed.
I just learned of such a design in this thread.
Is the entire design different? Does it rely on a completely new concept from what a "traditional" waterpump relied on?
Like PBM above...when I read the title I thought...thats an easy one...4.9 with 5-speed OD.
Pretty much nothing unusual about the car design, except that it is internal to the timing cover. So when it goes, it unloads engine coolant into the crankcase with little or no warning.
My only guess is that because the engine is transverse, they attempted to save space in any way possible. There is one individual who claims that he was told by a Ford engineer that they had designed some sort of weep channel to allow the pump to exhaust its overflow out of the engine. Obviously this does not actually work, assuming it is true.
I'm not a huge fan of timing chain driven water pumps in general, because even external to the engine, a pump seizure means your timing assembly is destroyed.
Originally Posted By: mcrn
Wow I did not know this about the 3.5 in cars......how about in the Explorer? Which water pump does that one get?
Explorer is a transverse design. I just checked, and it's the same internal water pump.
Wow I did not know this about the 3.5 in cars......how about in the Explorer? Which water pump does that one get?
Explorer is a transverse design. I just checked, and it's the same internal water pump.
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
Originally Posted By: mcrn
Wow I did not know this about the 3.5 in cars......how about in the Explorer? Which water pump does that one get?
Explorer is a transverse design. I just checked, and it's the same internal water pump.
Thank you sir....a friend of mine just bought one. Im pretty sure he did not know this.
Originally Posted By: mcrn
Wow I did not know this about the 3.5 in cars......how about in the Explorer? Which water pump does that one get?
Explorer is a transverse design. I just checked, and it's the same internal water pump.
Thank you sir....a friend of mine just bought one. Im pretty sure he did not know this.
No problem.
I don't always get it right, but I'm always trying to help.
I don't always get it right, but I'm always trying to help.
Originally Posted By: NStuart
Originally Posted By: 09_GXP
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
The 3.5 is a better engine and these technicians don't know what they're talking about.
One of them cited towing as a reason to choose the coyote over the EB. REALLY? What's he smoking during those smoke breaks?
I wish I could find the quote but when Ford rolled out the 2015 trucks with the new 2.7 EB they mentioned that the 5.0 would still be the recommended motor for customers that do regular towing. I don't have the quote exact but it was something to the effect of the EB motors are meant for someone that tows a boat or camper a few times a summer and the V8 is for the customer that tows a boat or camper a few times a month.
All that being said I tow my race hauler (~26' enclosed) with my 2.7 and can't imagine ever needing more performance. The longevity piece is still a question mark but I'm okay making that trade off to have the engine I want.
I own a mobile service business and my partner uses a 2.7 na tows about a 6000 pound trailer daily, how many miles are on your truck and have you ever service the tranny thanks for the info, his truck has a hundred fifteen thousand miles on it he's scared to service the tranny and thinks he needs more truck ( which in the long-term probably so for the amount of equipment that could be carried in the future)
I'm at 32k miles on my truck with around 15k of that towing with a GCVW of 11k lbs. I haven't serviced the tranny yet but did change the diff fluid around 12k and will be doing so again soon. I'm running around 4k OCIs even though the iOLM is running towards 10k miles for an oil change.
Originally Posted By: 09_GXP
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
The 3.5 is a better engine and these technicians don't know what they're talking about.
One of them cited towing as a reason to choose the coyote over the EB. REALLY? What's he smoking during those smoke breaks?
I wish I could find the quote but when Ford rolled out the 2015 trucks with the new 2.7 EB they mentioned that the 5.0 would still be the recommended motor for customers that do regular towing. I don't have the quote exact but it was something to the effect of the EB motors are meant for someone that tows a boat or camper a few times a summer and the V8 is for the customer that tows a boat or camper a few times a month.
All that being said I tow my race hauler (~26' enclosed) with my 2.7 and can't imagine ever needing more performance. The longevity piece is still a question mark but I'm okay making that trade off to have the engine I want.
I own a mobile service business and my partner uses a 2.7 na tows about a 6000 pound trailer daily, how many miles are on your truck and have you ever service the tranny thanks for the info, his truck has a hundred fifteen thousand miles on it he's scared to service the tranny and thinks he needs more truck ( which in the long-term probably so for the amount of equipment that could be carried in the future)
I'm at 32k miles on my truck with around 15k of that towing with a GCVW of 11k lbs. I haven't serviced the tranny yet but did change the diff fluid around 12k and will be doing so again soon. I'm running around 4k OCIs even though the iOLM is running towards 10k miles for an oil change.
Me too
I'm also a fan of the 300 six
Rented a new one in a van once. it had 9 miles on it when I picked it up. On the way home from Canada
I stopped to fuel up and check the oil- I could not believe it was no V8- of course I didn't ask- great engine!
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: pbm
PS: I'd love to find a pristine late 8o's or early 90's F150 with the 300 ci straight six...aka the 4.9..
I have one in my van sitting under the carport. Great engine.
I have a buddy who is a Ford Service writer in PA, we had the EB conversation a few times. He's with the guys in the video and would take the 5.0 over the EB engine as well. Talking with techs are guys who deal with these engines all day long is a good way to learn how reliable they are.
I'm also a fan of the 300 six
Rented a new one in a van once. it had 9 miles on it when I picked it up. On the way home from Canada
I stopped to fuel up and check the oil- I could not believe it was no V8- of course I didn't ask- great engine!
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: pbm
PS: I'd love to find a pristine late 8o's or early 90's F150 with the 300 ci straight six...aka the 4.9..
I have one in my van sitting under the carport. Great engine.
I have a buddy who is a Ford Service writer in PA, we had the EB conversation a few times. He's with the guys in the video and would take the 5.0 over the EB engine as well. Talking with techs are guys who deal with these engines all day long is a good way to learn how reliable they are.
Originally Posted By: pbm
...so does anybody know if the 2.7EB in the Fusion Sport have an external or internal WP?
Seems that way from what I'm seeing. From the 2.7/3.5 internal pump failure thread on the Flex Forums:
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Both ecoboost engines have the same design. There are people with ecoboosts with 230K on them who have not experienced this problem, so it's not a foregone conclusion that it will happen to yours. There is a weep hole near the alternator that can be an early warning of a problem if it's leaking water, and the P0016 DTC is another. If you don't have either of those, you probably don't have a problem.
Apparently not an automatic death sentence.
...so does anybody know if the 2.7EB in the Fusion Sport have an external or internal WP?
Seems that way from what I'm seeing. From the 2.7/3.5 internal pump failure thread on the Flex Forums:
Quote:
Both ecoboost engines have the same design. There are people with ecoboosts with 230K on them who have not experienced this problem, so it's not a foregone conclusion that it will happen to yours. There is a weep hole near the alternator that can be an early warning of a problem if it's leaking water, and the P0016 DTC is another. If you don't have either of those, you probably don't have a problem.
Apparently not an automatic death sentence.
Originally Posted By: mcrn
Wow I did not know this about the 3.5 in cars......how about in the Explorer? Which water pump does that one get?
Everything except the F150, Transit, and Mustang uses the transverse engine. All the 3.5 and 3.7's in those applications since the beginning of the engine in 2007 has that same internal water pump. They say it's due to clearances and I tend to believe them as looking at the setup in my F150 the pump does take a bit of space that is not available in the transverse applications.
There is a weep hole that should indicate failure. As would low coolant levels and or milky oil. Checking fluids at normal intervals should help to avoid engine failure.
Wow I did not know this about the 3.5 in cars......how about in the Explorer? Which water pump does that one get?
Everything except the F150, Transit, and Mustang uses the transverse engine. All the 3.5 and 3.7's in those applications since the beginning of the engine in 2007 has that same internal water pump. They say it's due to clearances and I tend to believe them as looking at the setup in my F150 the pump does take a bit of space that is not available in the transverse applications.
There is a weep hole that should indicate failure. As would low coolant levels and or milky oil. Checking fluids at normal intervals should help to avoid engine failure.
I believe the Taurus, Edge etc (basically all FWD/AWD vehicles) have this design feature on 3.5 EB and NA engines alike.
I recall seeing a video on youtube of a mechanic replacing one of these pumps. There are signs of it's failure including milky coolant/oil, erratic idle, loss of coolant, dash warning lights etc.
I recall seeing a video on youtube of a mechanic replacing one of these pumps. There are signs of it's failure including milky coolant/oil, erratic idle, loss of coolant, dash warning lights etc.
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