Which conventionals have the most moly?

[frmtbiker]

Which conventionals have the highest amounts of moly? Also, which conventional 5W-30's have the highest viscosities?

Lastly, where is a good place to look up this sort of info for myself in the future...

 

[Nick R]

Havoline/Chevron would be my guess.

 

[biodiesel]

Havoline/Chevron used to but not anymore. I too am interested to know the answer to this question.

 

[deven]

Exxon Superflo

 

[jeepman]

In order per PQIA:

Formula Shell
Havoline
Mobil Clean 5000
Exxon Superflo

 

[addyguy]

Maxlife - yeah it's a blend, but so are a lot of 'conventionals'.

300ppm moly, and 11.3 cst@100C.

 

[Bigsyke]

Why not just add moly for $4?

 

[frmtbiker]

Thanks jeepman...

According to PQIA, Valvoline, Castrol, and Pennzoil all have less than 1 ppm of molybdenum. So what are they using for their antiwear additive?

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: biodiesel
Havoline/Chevron used to but not anymore. I too am interested to know the answer to this question.


Havoline/Chevron are still using 200+ ppm moly, more than most.

 

[The Critic]

Why should anyone care about moly?
What makes moly better Boron?
Or better than a sodium additive?

Short answer? Nothing. You cannot focus on just one component of the oil, you need to focus on the entire formulation. So to go hunting for a high moly oil is just plain silly and childish.

 

[SLCraig]

Originally Posted By: frmtbiker
Thanks jeepman...

According to PQIA, Valvoline, Castrol, and Pennzoil all have less than 1 ppm of molybdenum. So what are they using for their antiwear additive?


Boron? I can't remember the other popular one off the top of my head.

 

[Johnny]

I thought moly was more of an FM than a AW additive.

 

[HTSS_TR]

If you replace B with M, Boron became not very nice word that why some don't like it. If you replace M with H, Moly became a very powerfull word ...

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Johnny
I thought moly was more of an FM than a AW additive.


From what molakule has said in the past, moly acts as a FM up to about 400 ppm, then from then on acts as both FM and AW. IIRC...

 

[mechtech2]

Havoline used to have gobs of moly.
Now Havoline and Shell are almost identical. [except Havoline has more magnesium].
They both have just over 200PPM moly.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Why should anyone care about moly?


Why shouldn't they?

Quote:
What makes moly better Boron?


Many oils contain both

Quote:
Or better than a sodium additive?


Moly and boron serve an entirely different purpose

Quote:
Short answer? Nothing. You cannot focus on just one component of the oil, you need to focus on the entire formulation. So to go hunting for a high moly oil is just plain silly and childish.


If we can't focus on one component of the oil, I invite you to try PittPenn motor oil. I do get what you are saying, but your response could have been worded much better.

 

[FL_Rob]

Delo400LE, schaffers ,is schaffers conventional?clean 5000 ,almost any HDEO if you dont mind using it.Also look at VOA's.Sometime back,someone put a bunch of VOA's on data sheets ,although some may be outdated,it still gives a frame of reference.

 

[Ben99GT]

Delo 400 LE cut back on moly and added a ton of boron, more than Ultra in VOAs. It's been that way for a few years now.

 

[FL_Rob]

Thats too bad, it seemed that was the primary selling point.

 

[Ben99GT]

I think Delo 400 LE performs every bit as well as, if not better than, the old Delo 400.

Here's a VOA from '09 https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/delo-400-le-15w-40.117227/

All of the adds look a little low there but it gives you an idea of what they are doing, I've seen a few VOAs of LE with boron in the 550 ppm range and zinc and phosphorus each a couple hundred ppm higher than this VOA.