Which conventionals have the most moly?

[biodiesel]

Originally Posted By: jeepman
In order per PQIA:

Formula Shell
Havoline
Mobil Clean 5000
Exxon Superflo


That's a really cool website and informative chart. Kind of bummed to see Pennzoil without any Moly but the Formula Shell has quite a bit. May have to switch from PYB to Formula at the next OCI and see how it does.

It's too bad they don't provide the same kind of chart and info for Syn Blends and Full Synthetics. I would definitely be interested in seeing how they rank as well.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Why should anyone care about moly?
What makes moly better Boron?
Or better than a sodium additive?

Short answer? Nothing. You cannot focus on just one component of the oil, you need to focus on the entire formulation. So to go hunting for a high moly oil is just plain silly and childish.


+1

 

[jeepman]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Nothing. You cannot focus on just one component of the oil, you need to focus on the entire formulation.


Agreed. The entire formulation including base oil and additives comprises a "good" or "bad" oil. Havoline was a great oil with the huge Moly doses it had, but is equally as good now with less and a much thinner base oil component.

Originally Posted By: frmtbiker
According to PQIA, Valvoline, Castrol, and Pennzoil all have less than 1 ppm of molybdenum. So what are they using for their antiwear additive?


Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Delo 400 LE cut back on moly and added a ton of boron, more than Ultra in VOAs. It's been that way for a few years now.


I'm sure someone here who has more chemistry knowledge than I could address the combination of base oil with Calcium, Phosphorus and Zinc for antiwear, but Pennzoil has been upping their content of Boron and Nitrogen (instead of Moly) in their recent oils and showing great results. I believe someone on this board mentioned that Boron works similarly to Moly in it's antiwear capabilities especially in aluminum block engines, and provides better cleaning properties as well. Moly has become very expensive in the last few years, so we have seen a trend of many oil manufacturers moving away from it, and finding other combinations that work as well or better.

Originally Posted By: biodiesel
That's a really cool website and informative chart. Kind of bummed to see Pennzoil without any Moly but the Formula Shell has quite a bit. May have to switch from PYB to Formula at the next OCI and see how it does.


The Formula Shell and PYB UOA's on this board recently have both turned in great results, so IMO you may be splitting hairs for no reason. Right now just about any SOPUS product seems to be doing very well, including QS and the full line of synthetics. Of course, that could be subject to change if they become more profit driven over the quality of what they currently produce, in the future. I don't have anything but personal preference, but if you are using PYB now, I'd stick with it as it is one of the favored dino's on this site due to great wear numbers. Also the new GF-5 formulation is just hitting shelves and looks to be even better.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: The Critic
So to go hunting for a high moly oil is just plain silly and childish.


Who said he was? Geez, the man just asked a question.

 

[Boss302fan]

Just use the Maxlife blend oil which is around $15 for 5 quarts at Wally world... I would think for the money that it may be the best one on the mkt.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Jason Adcock
Originally Posted By: The Critic
So to go hunting for a high moly oil is just plain silly and childish.


Who said he was? Geez, the man just asked a question.


Like I said, I know what he was getting at but the delivery left much to be desired.

If one or two components alone don't matter, and anyone wants to put that theory to the test, then try this oil: http://www.pqiamerica.com/PittPenn4-2010.htm

 

[Hokiefyd]

I knew his point also, but it sounded like he had one of those "jump to conclusions" mats from Office Space.

The man simply asked about moly, and ended up getting called silly and childish.

 

[frmtbiker]

Just to clear things up, I wasn't going to go blindly purchase whichever oil I could find with the highest moly. I simply wanted to know which brands used the most.

What I found (thanks to the PQIA link) was that what I consider the three top brand conventionals (PYB, Valvoline white bottle, and GTX) don't contain any.

I'm now tempted to try Maxlife as it has high(ish)levels of moly and I have seen excellent UOA's posted with it.

We'll see, only 1000 miles on my GTX 5W-30...

Thanks for the replies!

 

[jeepman]

Originally Posted By: frmtbiker

I'm now tempted to try Maxlife as it has high(ish)levels of moly and I have seen excellent UOA's posted with it.


Maxlife is a great oil. Works well in the Jeep, and I had an 02 PT Cruiser that had a valve tick that it cleared right up. Very robust and great oil. Only reason I don't use it now is that it doesn't have the energy conserving label, and according to my dealer my Aveo has to have that for warranty. I think they are full of it on that one, but trying to stay letter of the law during the warranty period.

 

[Mokanic]

Honda and Toyota evidently feel that moly is an important additive. Not saying that it is the be-all and end-all of oils but when you have two major players that are dumping tons of the stuff in their 0W20 oils it is evident to me that their testing has indicated that moly formulated oils are a good thing. Yes,I know there are oils with 0ppm of moly that get it done well

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Mokanic
Honda and Toyota evidently feel that moly is an important additive. Not saying that it is the be-all and end-all of oils but when you have two major players that are dumping tons of the stuff in their 0W20 oils it is evident to me that their testing has indicated that moly formulated oils are a good thing. Yes,I know there are oils with 0ppm of moly that get it done well


I was thinking along those lines as well. I think the reduction of moly has more to do with dollars and cents than the oil companies finding a better replacement. Don't get me wrong I'm sure some of the things used to replace moly are quite good, but when it is all said and done, moly is reduced to cut cost and boost the bottom line.

JMO

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: jeepman
Only reason I don't use it now is that it doesn't have the energy conserving label, and according to my dealer my Aveo has to have that for warranty. I think they are full of it on that one, but trying to stay letter of the law during the warranty period.


I've never seen a manufacturer require the "Energy Conserving" label, only the API starburst label (which MaxLife does have). All of my owner's manuals recommend an energy conserving oil, and require an API starbursted oil. Interesting that the Aveo is different there.

 

[jeepman]

Originally Posted By: Jason Adcock
Originally Posted By: jeepman
Only reason I don't use it now is that it doesn't have the energy conserving label, and according to my dealer my Aveo has to have that for warranty. I think they are full of it on that one, but trying to stay letter of the law during the warranty period.


I've never seen a manufacturer require the "Energy Conserving" label, only the API starburst label (which MaxLife does have). All of my owner's manuals recommend an energy conserving oil, and require an API starbursted oil. Interesting that the Aveo is different there.


Let me retract the earlier comment with an amendment. The logic in not using MaxLife in my Aveo (which is a jeepman favorite) was because the warranty only stays in place if the oil is GM6094M certified, and MaxLife doesn't make that list because it is not energy conserving. Other than that, I think it is the best oil on the market IMO.