Which 508.00 oil would you choose?

[paoester]

Originally Posted by MParr
paoester, I noticed in your signature that you own a 2019 Tiguan. Yet, you are running Pennzoil Platinum 0W20. Is there any reason for your doing so? I am a little shy about running just any old 0W20 in my Tiguan. Sure, VW specs 508/509 oil. For my first oil change, I opted for a 504/507 oil. Help me out here.
The Platinum was just a leftover jug I had from a $10 rebate, to replace the factory fill for a while. I believe its close enough to a real VW 508 0w20 to get me through the winter, same HTHS and is rated dexos1 (GM turbo test important), full synthetic Group3+.

Now you and edyvw have got me thinking about a little more HTHS. You both are bad influences on me. Not a VW 504 though, too thick, way too far above VW's HTHS 2.7 recommendation here. I wouldn't mind upping HTHS to 2.9 or 3.0, but not boosted all the way up to 3.5. ( There was a thread where a VW dealership reported VW is telling technicians Achtung! Verpflichtend 508 !

Of course, all the usual "VW Warranty Police" warnings apply. The VW 508 has a special green-ish blue-ish dye, so if you turn your car in on an engine warranty claim, change the oil quickly to VW 508.

 

[paoester]

One other note on using a walmart dexos1 (Platinum) 0w20 in a VW 508 application, I believe you can run a lesser dexos1 performer for up to around 7,000 miles, while a VW 508 will do the full VW-spec 10,000 miles. Still, against Owner's Manual recommendations, so don't do it unless you have leftovers you want to use. ...

 

[MParr]

paoester
I will take everything you said into consideration. There's a way to slip by the blue-green dye. Liqui-Moly makes their Molygen in 5W30. The price of the 508/509 oils need to come done some and become more available.

 

[paoester]

MParr, maybe Molygen 5w30 HTHS 3.0 in the summer, and VW 508 0w20 2.7 in the winter-only. Green blue dye year around.

 

[MParr]

paoester
My understanding of the lower HTHS in 508/509 oils is that it is mainly for improved fuel economy. Just shopping around and the Total Ineo Quartz 508/509 is the cheapest available right now.

 

[tom in boise]

Originally Posted by MParr
paoester
My understanding of the lower HTHS in 508/509 oils is that it is mainly for improved fuel economy. Just shopping around and the Total Ineo Quartz 508/509 is the cheapest available right now.

I just ordered a couple of 5l jugs of this Total oil to use in my 2019 GTI. We shall see how it does. The car now has 1250 miles on it with the factory oil. I plan on changing it at 5k and again at 10k, using the Total.

 

[aleneros]

Originally Posted by tom in boise
Originally Posted by MParr
paoester
My understanding of the lower HTHS in 508/509 oils is that it is mainly for improved fuel economy. Just shopping around and the Total Ineo Quartz 508/509 is the cheapest available right now.

I just ordered a couple of 5l jugs of this Total oil to use in my 2019 GTI. We shall see how it does. The car now has 1250 miles on it with the factory oil. I plan on changing it at 5k and again at 10k, using the Total.



It seems no ppls would follow VW's OCI suggestion which is 10K miles (fixed)/18K miles (flexible) lol

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/regimes



We recommend this service if you are likely to drive less than 10,0001 miles in a year, and if you tend to drive in the following way:

Mainly city centre driving, short journeys with frequent cold starts

High engine loading activities, e.g. frequent hill climbs, driving with your vehicle fully loaded and towing

Uneconomical driving using high rpms with heavy acceleration and heavy braking.

Flexible Service Regime (LongLife Service)
We recommend this service if you are likely to drive more than 25 miles a day, and if you tend to drive in the following way:

Regular long distance driving

Driving at a constant speed with minimum vehicle and engine loading, and minimal towing

Economical driving

This Flexible regime has been made possible due to the development of new Volkswagen engines with the latest technically advanced longlife oil. These engines use built-in sensors that continually monitor the oil quality, making it possible to enjoy reliable and confident motoring for up to a maximum of 18,000* miles or 24 months (whichever occurs first).

 

[BrandonT]

I've ordered a bottle of Mobil 1 ESP X2 for testing from Sun Coast Porsche. They only sell by the liter, so it's is pretty pricey at $11/L. If anyone finds a better source be sure to let us know!

 

[MParr]

RM European has Total for the cheapest I have seen any 508/509 oil.
https://www.rmeuropean.com/Make/Volkswagen/2018/Tiguan-SE-Sport-Utility-20L-L4.aspx?catalogID=001

 

[paoester]

Originally Posted by BrandonT
I've ordered a bottle of Mobil 1 ESP X2 for testing from Sun Coast Porsche. They only sell by the liter, so it's is pretty pricey at $11/L. If anyone finds a better source be sure to let us know!
Exxon-Mobil may start providing M1 ESP x2 0w20 to Advance Auto Parts, Pep Boys, maybe other auto parts stores, "soon", since they already ship their ESP 0w30/5w30 types to stores now. Maybe later.
That oil has the best performance test list, missing absolutely nothing.
Originally Posted by MParr
RM European has Total for the cheapest I have seen any 508/509 oil. https://www.rmeuropean.com/Make/Volkswagen/2018/Tiguan-SE-Sport-Utility-20L-L4.aspx?catalogID=001
Wonder how much longer it will be so relatively cheap at rmeuropean.com ? Should be good oil. Total's Elf brand (oil for short people) has a racing pedigree so their chemistry expertise must be great, I'd assume. All PAO base oil there.

 

[michael007]

I just bought 12 - 1L bottles of total 0w20 from rmeuropean.

Free shipping since it's over $100 and no NY tax so it can't be beat

 

[paoester]

Originally Posted by michael007
I just bought 12 - 1L bottles of total 0w20 from rmeuropean.
The 1L bottle price is almost as cheap as the 5L jug (per liter) price. Thats nice to see.
12 1L bottles: $8.40 x 12 = $100.80
2 5L jugs and 3 1L bottles: (39.35 x 2) + (8.40 x 3) = $103.90

This passes for humor on BITOG:
"2019 Volkswagen Tiguan oil viscosity recommendation:
Having oil with the right viscosity in your engine is paramount, as it helps to prevent against sludge buildup and keeps you performing correctly in the elements. The 2019 Tiguan needs oil with a viscosity of 5W-30 to help it run at peak performance - the good news for you is that this is one of the most common oil types out there, so you should have no trouble finding a bottle at any hardware store, or our service bay! " -- Racine, Wisconsin VW dealership website

 

[michael007]

It's also the featured result when you type in google "2019 Volkswagen Tiguan oil".

Nice find paoester. I forwarded it to VW's social media team, we'll see if it gets fixed.

 

[paoester]

VW has been indoctrinating dealership technicians and service advisors, so what appears on a dealer's website might have little consequence except in the case of a DIYer who puts in 5w30 conventional, OK, I guess possibly a little bad.
This was from a VW-Audi (VAG) dealership employee posted earlier on another thread:
Originally Posted by dedonderosa
VW says the new BUDACK cycle engine's oil pump was specifically designed to run only 0w20 in their tech videos and says running thicker oil in this engine will cause damage. thats coming from from VW mouth

 

[MParr]

I'm coming up on 10,000 miles on my Tiguan. I really didn't have time to wait on an order to come in. So, I stopped by a VW dealership and picked up a kit with the Castrol Professional OE 0W20. Not too bad at $73. It will be going in very soon.

 

[paoester]

ecstuning.com just discounted their Castrol 508 0w-20 type oil. I stocked up a bit. Magnetic drain plug too for the plastic twist-off drain plug thingie which I didn't think existed a couple of months ago.
3 day shipping, which I have time for. Comes right to my door, cheap, free shipping.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by paoester
VW has been indoctrinating dealership technicians and service advisors, so what appears on a dealer's website might have little consequence except in the case of a DIYer who puts in 5w30 conventional, OK, I guess possibly a little bad.
This was from a VW-Audi (VAG) dealership employee posted earlier on another thread:
Originally Posted by dedonderosa
VW says the new BUDACK cycle engine's oil pump was specifically designed to run only 0w20 in their tech videos and says running thicker oil in this engine will cause damage. thats coming from from VW mouth


Is that why VW also has VW504.00/507.00 as an alternative?

 

[paoester]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Is that why VW also has VW504.00/507.00 as an alternative?
Not in U.S. Owner's Manuals. Not in German Owner's Manuals.
The other thread with an EA839 Cayenne V6 engine did have thicker oils being used in warmer countries, according to BeerCan.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted by paoester
Originally Posted by edyvw
Is that why VW also has VW504.00/507.00 as an alternative?
Not in U.S. Owner's Manuals. Not in German Owner's Manuals.
The other thread with an EA839 Cayenne V6 engine did have thicker oils being used in warmer countries, according to BeerCan.

It does not have anything to do with temperature. It is quality of fuel that is in question combined with emission standards.
There are countries in Group I that are warmer than some in Group II. Which basically means, A40 could be used unless there is GPF involved.
Also, as far as I know, VW504.00/507.00 is an alternative.

 

[paoester]

Originally Posted by edyvw
Which basically means, A40 could be used unless there is GPF involved. Also, as far as I know, VW504.00/507.00 is an alternative.

Except that's not what Porsche (VAG) says.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...uestions-on-the-ea839-engine#Post5283749
.....shows that Group 2 countries use thin 0w20 low-saps oil if it has a particulate filter (PF), and thick high-saps oil if no PF (just talking about single-turbo engines).
Porsche never said to use VW 504/507 thick oil for single-turbo engines.
If you have a link for them saying that, then by all means, supply us with that fact. Otherwise, these are just guesses.

I do personally see the reasoning that says we can use thick oil anytime we want though, its just that Porsche VAG never says it.

To me, it is indeed a matter of gasoline sulfur content to say if you can use a low-saps oil. In the U.S., low-saps should be fine since sulfur is now way down. Valve stem deposits ostensibly less with low-saps too.

And the question of thin vs. thick is a matter of single-turbo vs. twin-turbo. Singles get 0w20, twins get thick oil. Bottom line.