Where is the 3/30/300 perfect car?

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
It is why I always wondered why people will say an F-body is heavy. Curb weight on my 2000 WS6 was 3397. On the scales where I used to work with me and a full tank of gas it was 3640.


It's because compared with many 2-door coupes, it IS heavy. It's within a spare tire or two of your 4-door Bonneville. A 2000 C5 is less than 3,200 pounds for the hardtop, though the 'glass body obviously contributes to that. Still, your F-body is 15% heavier than the 'Vette. It's carrying an extra 400 pounds around wherever it goes.

 

[Kuato]

Originally Posted By: Rolla07
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Why limit yourself to 300hp? A new Mustang GT has 420hp, and to make a all new V8 with just 300hp would be huge steps backwards.



Except that it weighs about 3600lbs.


The additional 120hp should handle the 600lbs over the 3000lb limit..


Same argument could be made for a Dodge Charger.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: Rolla07
The additional 120hp should handle the 600lbs over the 3000lb limit..


Horsepower can never overcome the dynamic disadvantages (chassis, handling, etc) of a 600 pound penalty.

 

[ls1mike]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
It is why I always wondered why people will say an F-body is heavy. Curb weight on my 2000 WS6 was 3397. On the scales where I used to work with me and a full tank of gas it was 3640.


It's because compared with many 2-door coupes, it IS heavy. It's within a spare tire or two of your 4-door Bonneville. A 2000 C5 is less than 3,200 pounds for the hardtop, though the 'glass body obviously contributes to that. Still, your F-body is 15% heavier than the 'Vette. It's carrying an extra 400 pounds around wherever it goes.


Problem is the Corvette is 3200 empty, the WS6 is 3397 empty. What is the vette with driver, and fluids. We have to talk one weight here. Curb weight which is dry. or loaded weight.

 

[Hokiefyd]

Originally Posted By: ls1mike
Problem is the Corvette is 3200 empty, the WS6 is 3397 empty. What is the vette with driver, and fluids. We have to talk one weight here. Curb weight which is dry. or loaded weight.


That is true; I mixed weights. A C5 coupe is 3,400 pounds wet with driver. Still, what I got from your post is that your coupe is within a passenger's weight of your sedan. It's simply a large car and heavier than many coupes are. On the flip side, a Dodge Challenger porks out at 3,800 pounds curb weight. Wet with driver, it's got to be scaring two tons.

 

[Kuato]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: Rolla07
The additional 120hp should handle the 600lbs over the 3000lb limit..


Horsepower can never overcome the dynamic disadvantages (chassis, handling, etc) of a 600 pound penalty.



This 'Murica, we only care about straight line acceleration. Whar you from boah?

I kid.

 

[threeputtpar]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
3 thousand pounds
30 thousand dollars
300 horsepower


Shouldn't that be 300 thousand horsepower, if I follow the pattern correctly?

If so, I'll take two please.

 

[Indydriver]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Why not add "3 pedals" to the requirement?


Ha ha, agree with that!

The reason I love this sweet spot and believe it still attainable is my Speed3 which unfortunately is FWD. It weighs 3150 with only a CAI mine puts out 280hp/300ftlbs. I do not want a 3600 lb car it's just too much of a handling penalty. Mazda's been really quiet about the next gen Mazdaspeed. How about a 300 hp Miata! Sign me up!

 

[cptbarkey]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
With today's technology, it shouldn't be that difficult to build the perfect car:

3 thousand pounds
30 thousand dollars
300 horsepower

And of course, it must be RWD. Where are they?


1. buy a car for 30k.
2. lose some weight yourself, your fat.
3. rip out all the seats except the driver seat.
4. take out all the gasoline except 1 gallon.
5. cut the roof off. maybe put a sliding glass door lock across the leftover area in between. its light right?
6. tires are heavy, just use the rims.

done.

or fabricate your own car and save 30k.

 

[IndyIan]

The first gen WRX is 3077lbs, add some goodies and it will have 300hp and 3000lbs.
I'd like a 3300lb rwd 3 pedal V6 Camry wagon. Good for hooning and hauling and decent mileage too.

 

[Papa Bear]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
With today's technology, it shouldn't be that difficult to build the perfect car:

3 thousand pounds
30 thousand dollars
300 horsepower

And of course, it must be RWD. Where are they?


You blinked and missed it .... 327 and a 4 speed.

 

[hattaresguy]

Its tough to get a car that light unless some exotic materials are used and than it gets expensive.

Like a Zonda Huayra for example which is just under 3k dry and uses as much exotic material as a rocket ship to get their.

I guess it would be 3/1,000k/740hp LOL

Unless you go small like a Lotus and than, again your going to spend more.

Cheapest way to do it is a BRZ with a turbo on it.

 

[dareo]

The 2016 Nissan 240sx will come close. Direct injected turbo 2.4L engine. 2800 lbs, 28,000 dollars, 280 hp.


...If only!

 

[Indydriver]

Originally Posted By: dareo
The 2016 Nissan 240sx will come close. Direct injected turbo 2.4L engine. 2800 lbs, 28,000 dollars, 280 hp.


...If only!


For real?

 

[dareo]

A new 240sx is still all rumor but the FRS has had surprising success so i would not put it past them to have a competitive, more powerful version.

 

[blackman777]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
3 thousand pounds
30 thousand dollars
300 horsepower

And of course, it must be RWD. Where are they?

Honda Accord Hybrid (2004-07). It had all your specs except one (FWD). It sold very poorly, so Honda discontinued it. "Perfect" doesn't mean much if the customers don't want it.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
3 thousand pounds
30 thousand dollars
300 horsepower

And of course, it must be RWD. Where are they?

Honda Accord Hybrid (2004-07). It had all your specs except one (FWD).

And except a 300hp engine.

 

[NateDN10]

With a 3000-lb limit, you're basically limiting yourself to FWD hot hatches (AWD adds too much weight) or small RWD sports cars like a Subaru BRZ or Mazda Miata. And none of those hit 300 hp stock, though with some modifications they definitely could.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
With today's technology, it shouldn't be that difficult to build the perfect car:

3 thousand pounds
30 thousand dollars
300 horsepower

And of course, it must be RWD. Where are they?


You blinked and missed it .... 327 and a 4 speed.

Yes indeed. If it didn't have a ridiculous stroked/roller small block in it my old Jensen Healey replica would fit the bill. I have less than 10 grand in the car, but more than that in the engine alone. You could easily get a cheap 383 stroker in there for a lot less.

Still, you can get what you want in an older 'fixer upper'. But you would not have all the safety features that a modern platform gives you.

 

[Oldswagon]

A Subaru BRZ comes close. It meets everything but the HP requirments. However at about 2700 lbs with 200 hp, that's about 13.5 lb/hp which isn't too far off from your 10 lbs/hp ideal. Too bad they don't offer a Turbo version.