Where has idea entitlement come from?

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What ever happened to the idea of hard work? Whatever happened idea that if you saw someone with something nicer than than you, that someday with some hard work and good finical decision making, you could have it as well?

Now it's people who don't pay income taxes demanding wealthy people pay their "fair share". Now it's the idea that if you have done well, you must have cheated someone to get it. Now it's the idea that the freak and the slacker are noble. Now it's all "I'm entitled", "I deserve" and "it's my right".

People need to realize this is still, at least for a few more months, the land of opportunity but ultimately your entitled to and deserve nothing.

OK, my rant is over.
 
well you do realize that back in those days, when john q public could drop out of high school, and still get a job @ the local auto plant that would support his family(well enough that the Mrs. didn't have to work), and he could send his kids to college(debt free) so they would have a better life, etc., back then, the uppermost tax rate was as high as 90% (under REPUBLICAN Pres. Richard M Nixon).
 
What I really hate is that I, as a job creator, have my taxes and medicare transfered to those in the heartland states who say exactly what you are saying but they don't decline their medicare benefits that I'm paying for, nor do they decline the federal spending in their states that they receive disproportionately to the taxes they pay in. They are also the people who benefit from lower mortgage rates due to Fannie & Freddie (I don't as I have to get a jumbo mortgage) which are effectively paid for by everyone else including me when the market distortions catch up with us. And then what about agriculture subsidies and oil subsidies. Again, all paid for by me.

I sure as [censored] don't like subsidising the tea party with my taxes, especially not those misinformed enough to carry banners that say "Keep your government hands off my medicare".

And after all that, these same people want to tell those in more liberal states, how they should live, and what their state's legislation should be and that the church can interfere in politics.

I say to them: "Keep your hands off my taxes and off my right to live freely in the state that I choose to live in without your religious persecution"

Practice what you preach and don't be a hypocrite.
 
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Originally Posted By: 3311
if you have done well, you must have cheated someone to get it.


I thought that's what the whole 2008 financial crash was all about? There is talk here of stripping people of their knighthoods because of incompetent financial management. Hoodwinking is not cheating ?
 
Originally Posted By: earlyre
well you do realize that back in those days, when john q public could drop out of high school, and still get a job @ the local auto plant that would support his family(well enough that the Mrs. didn't have to work), and he could send his kids to college(debt free) so they would have a better life, etc., back then, the uppermost tax rate was as high as 90% (under REPUBLICAN Pres. Richard M Nixon).


Come on. The tax loop holes were ten miles wide and hundred miles long. No one paid anywhere near that. Don't buy into the lies.
 
Originally Posted By: rjacket
What I really hate is that I, as a job creator, have my taxes and medicare transfered to those in the heartland states who say exactly what you are saying but they don't decline their medicare benefits that I'm paying for, nor do they decline the federal spending in their states that they receive disproportionately to the taxes they pay in. They are also the people who benefit from lower mortgage rates due to Fannie & Freddie (I don't as I have to get a jumbo mortgage) which are effectively paid for by everyone else including me when the market distortions catch up with us. And then what about agriculture subsidies and oil subsidies. Again, all paid for by me.

I sure as [censored] don't like subsidising the tea party with my taxes, especially not those misinformed enough to carry banners that say "Keep your government hands off my medicare".

And after all that, these same people want to tell those in more liberal states, how they should live, and what their state's legislation should be and that the church can interfere in politics.

I say to them: "Keep your hands off my taxes and off my right to live freely in the state that I choose to live in without your religious persecution"

Practice what you preach and don't be a hypocrite.


All I can write is...Unbelievable.

Time to lock this thread before the gloves come off.
 
Originally Posted By: 3311
What ever happened to the idea of hard work? Whatever happened idea that if you saw someone with something nicer than than you, that someday with some hard work and good finical decision making, you could have it as well?

Now it's people who don't pay income taxes demanding wealthy people pay their "fair share". Now it's the idea that if you have done well, you must have cheated someone to get it. Now it's the idea that the freak and the slacker are noble. Now it's all "I'm entitled", "I deserve" and "it's my right".

People need to realize this is still, at least for a few more months, the land of opportunity but ultimately your entitled to and deserve nothing.

OK, my rant is over.




It's only going to get worse, the way I see it. In my area the younger generation "25 year old and less" all seem like everything should be handed to them. I call them the spoiled generation.

As for the wealthy, they can have all the money the want. As long as they pay their share of the taxes. And not try to hide things off-shore and use every loophole that their fellow wealthy law makers have cooked up so they don't pay taxes. Those same taxes that you and I pay for, they pay for their pork projects.

There is still three classes still going on:

The Handout Class

The Poor

The Wealthy


The Middle Class has turned in the Poor Class.

My Rant.
 
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I'll just say this as a Junior in college working towards a Political Science degree before the thread gets locked.

When I graduate I will have roughly $50k in college loans to pay back, every year come tax season I OWE money to the state of IL and last year I actually owed a couple dollars to the Fed. Reason being is my mom who is retired Navy works in GTMO for Moral, Welfare, and Recreation which is the moral boosting body under the Dept. of the Navy. They are in charge of organizing USO/Armed Service Entertainment visits/shows, they run the movie theaters, restaurants, hobby shops, etc. If I fly back for the summer I generally work there and because of this IL qualifies it as out of state work which makes me owe money come tax season.

Even with all my loans that have been taken out (all of which are government loans) just for the mere fact that I'm ELIGIBLE to be a dependent disqualifies me from filing on my own which might let me have a little extra cash once a year. Instead I'm filed as a dependent and my mom gets a nice extra bit of cash for educational expenses even though the loans are under my name and I will be the one paying them back. Last year I made roughly $5,000 yet still owed $300 or 400 come April.

I have no problem paying taxes and I do think that the tax rate needs to go up for those making $1 mil. plus, but I also believe that the amount of exemptions need to be cut for the rest. With that being said I find it ridiculous that a college student still owes money when all is said and done. I don't collect food stamps even though I qualify, I don't use the local utility assistance program even though I qualify, I don't use government assistance other than my government loans. I don't use these things because I know that should I be absolutely broke I can always pick up the phone and ask mom for a couple bucks and I'd rather have someone who doesn't have that option use the welfare system for what it is intended.

I know this is rambling and very specific to my situation but it irritates me when people say that the poor, which I am have no drive and depend on government. The welfare queen that so many people depict is only a small percentage of the population of the people that use government aid in the way it was intended. Is it a perfect system? Absolutely not. Do some people abuse the system? Yes! But, let us look at the big picture and what the overall impact our welfare system has and not focus on the small amount of people that abuse it.

Our country has a taxation and spending problem. However, the taxation is a bigger part of the problem than the spending.
 
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Originally Posted By: RamFan
I'll just say this as a Junior in college working towards a Political Science degree before the thread gets locked.

When I graduate I will have roughly $50k in college loans to pay back, every year come tax season I OWE money to the state of IL and last year I actually owed a couple dollars to the Fed. Reason being is my mom who is retired Navy works in GTMO for Moral, Welfare, and Recreation which is the moral boosting body under the Dept. of the Navy. They are in charge of organizing USO/Armed Service Entertainment visits/shows, they run the movie theaters, restaurants, hobby shops, etc. If I fly back for the summer I generally work there and because of this IL qualifies it as out of state work which makes me owe money come tax season.

Even with all my loans that have been taken out (all of which are government loans) just for the mere fact that I'm ELIGIBLE to be a dependent disqualifies me from filing on my own which might let me have a little extra cash once a year. Instead I'm filed as a dependent and my mom gets a nice extra bit of cash for educational expenses even though the loans are under my name and I will be the one paying them back. Last year I made roughly $5,000 yet still owed $300 or 400 come April.

I have no problem paying taxes and I do think that the tax rate needs to go up for those making $1 mil. plus, but I also believe that the amount of exemptions need to be cut for the rest. With that being said I find it ridiculous that a college student still owes money when all is said and done. I don't collect food stamps even though I qualify, I don't use the local utility assistance program even though I qualify, I don't use government assistance other than my government loans. I don't use these things because I know that should I be absolutely broke I can always pick up the phone and ask mom for a couple bucks and I'd rather have someone who doesn't have that option use the welfare system for what it is intended.

I know this is rambling and very specific to my situation but it irritates me when people say that the poor, which I am have no drive and depend on government. The welfare queen that so many people depict is only a small percentage of the population of the people that use government aid in the way it was intended. Is it a perfect system? Absolutely not. Do some people abuse the system? Yes! But, let us look at the big picture and what the overall impact our welfare system has and not focus on the small amount of people that abuse it.

Our country has a taxation and spending problem. However, the taxation is a bigger part of the problem than the spending.


Mostly well said, except that you should claim those things that are available to you because they are precisely in place to offset the fact that you pay taxes.

However, it's also a symptom of a taxation / benefits system ruined by politician's meddling and it's a huge inefficiency for you and for the taxpayer administratively to have such a system. Hence we have one of the most cumbersome tax codes in the world and a whole industry that has sprung up around it to service it.

At the end of the day, I believe we get the politicians we deserve. The approval rating of congress is a reflection of the morals and participation in democracy of the people, who are too lazy to do what is in their interest and who stand by while corporations run the political system.

Healthcare in this country is the biggest joke. 25% of the cost is admin. The total cost is double other countries and the health outcomes are WORSE. Again, politicians incompetence and ideology supported by a fickle public.

I pay more in medicare taxes than I pay for my own families healthcare. I subsidise people's stupidity in terms of their eating habits, their exercise habits, then their laziness in not asking questions while the doctors fleece them, then their willingness to take medication for everything instead of finding the root cause in diet and other behaviors.

And my sense is that most of these stupid people are precisely those in the tea party. I'm sure I could correlate states with the highest obesity with states with the largest and most rabid tea parties and then those who feel entitled to $2 gas and blame Obama (instead of the free market, the very thing they say they believe in) for gas prices. At least all that protesting about other people is causing them to get some exercise.
 
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strongt said:
[quote=3311

There is still three classes still going on:

The Handout Class

The Poor

The Wealthy


The Middle Class has turned in the Poor Class.

My Rant.
[/quote

Yes, anyone trying to climb the ladder to prosperity, may find there are a few rungs missing!
 
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