When its your time its your time!

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Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
The average life expectancy of a person in the United States is around 79 years. When I was younger I thought hey, most of us will live to 79 and then die afterward. What it really means is half of us will die before we reach 79 and all the comments on this posting reflect those people who are dying. 1/2 of everyone. Roger Bannister, the first man to run the 4 minute mile, died last year at the age of 80, only one year more than the average American. Go figure.

Do your best to keep fit, but giving up Rum and Coke is not in my program.


Yes almost half of all people that have paid into the government's great Ponzi scheme of Social Security are dead at 69.5.
 
Life ends when?

No point in trying to rationalize what happens to others unless you're their genetic twin. My dad just turned 86, but at his 85th birthday - we all figured he'd be dead in 3 weeks or less. We gave away all his clothes, sold his condo, all his furniture. About 8 months ago he asked my youngest sister to "send over 3 pair of pants from the closet" to the nursing home. Long silence from her......"Dad, we got rid of all your clothes..."

He went nuts, he was so upset!....my sister said " but you were supposed to die!"

Man plans, God laughs.
 
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My most fervent hope is that when I do die, it'll be quick and painless. I have an ugly family history with cardiac issues, and I've been on meds for almost 30 years for hypertension, angina, etc. My prediction is a big hart attack, and it'll be lights-out for me, and I'm good with that. My will and advance directives are all done and recently updated, my wife knows the variations I use for ALL of my passwords, and she handles most of the bills anyway. I handle investments and that's why she'll need passwords. I even built a flowchart so she knows how the investment puzzle pieces fit together.

The niche is paid-for, my family knows I prefer simple direct cremation with the local Cremation Society. I have a clean conscience and sleep like a baby (aside from wiggling around due to joint pain). I adore my wife and dogs, love my kids and will ride this train however long it keeps chugging along.

Working in deathcare, we see all sorts of premature deaths, and it all drives home the point that there are no guarantees.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris142
About 10 yrs ago my boss hired a younger guy at the shop. Iirc he was about 12 yrs younger than me. Would make him 37ish.

We were not real friendly. He was very arrogant. He worked with us about a year. So I ignored him most of the time.

He had a massive heart attack last week and passed away! Kinda makes ya think, am I next?


Would that make him 37 today, or that age 12 years ago..... which would make him 49 today.
Either way, it's still too young to pass away. Was he badly out-of-shape physically?
 
I'd say true to a point.

FWIW, I'm a believer that it's not cholesterol that is killing people and creating heart disease but sugars.

IIRC, your body will turn excess carbohydrates into LDL cholesterol and triglycerides.

It's more about the carbs you are eating than it is the fats.

Carbs are used for fight or flight activities and fats for endurance exercise such as running or bicycling. So any "extra fat" you may have lying around in your body is used during your running.

Too many carbs and you run the risk of becoming insulin resistant, which is one of the paths to Type 2 diabetes.

It runs in my family, and my DR was worried about my last A1C and fasting blood glucose numbers, so he has me on a carb limited diet and daily Blood Glucose tests first thing in the AM. By watching my carb intake, I've gone from a BG of 180 to regularly down to a weekly fasting average of 115. It will drop to 80 or so, even after having a morning banana, a hour after 30-60 minutes of spinning or on an actual bicycle.

I may have a bit of "dawn effect" where my body is converting fat to glucose overnight during the 8-10 hour fast since dinner, before breakfast.

But as I said, T2 diabetes runs in our family, so in my 50s, even though I exercise (substitute bike for running and I'm on your regime) I still have to pay attention to what I eat or my BG and triglycerides get out of whack.

Can't really eat little chocolate donuts like John Belushi suggested in an SNL commercial in the '70s.



Originally Posted By: john_pifer
I'm a regular runner - usually a couple of shorter runs (4-5 mi) during the week, then at least one longer run of at least 10 miles (usually hills) on the weekend. In addition to that, I do push-ups, sit-ups and pull-ups, and some weights, about 3 times a week. I also cycle and mountain bike, and ride trails on my dirt bike. But I do eat a lot of stuff that's considered "bad" and has a lot of cholesterol (eggs, bacon, sausage, hamburgers, pizza, lots of dairy, butter, ice cream, fried stuff, etc.). Regardless, I stay at ideal weight (180) for my height (6'2") due to all the exercise. I can eat whatever I want and not gain anything. (I might gain a few lbs. after a couple of large meals, but it's right back off after the next longer run.) But I do think about all that cholesterol and wonder if my arteries are getting clogged. They say if your fire burns hot enough, you can eat anything and not worry; it'll just be burned off. But I'm not sure. Being from the South, I grew up on lots of butter, bread, fried food, BBQ, (stuff that tastes good, dangit!). It's hard to give that up. I will say, I do love vegetables and fruits, and eat a lot of those, too. I've also wondered if eating lots of brightly and darkly-colored veggies serves to counteract all the "bad" stuff. I think it does have an effect.

I do go to the doc at least once a year and have bloodwork done. So far nothing's been a red flag. HR, BP, cholesterol levels are always "in spec". I'm 38, so, we'll see if that changes.
 
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
The average life expectancy of a person in the United States is around 79 years. When I was younger I thought hey, most of us will live to 79 and then die afterward. What it really means is half of us will die before we reach 79 and all the comments on this posting reflect those people who are dying. 1/2 of everyone. Roger Bannister, the first man to run the 4 minute mile, died last year at the age of 80, only one year more than the average American. Go figure.

Roger Bannister (March 23, 1929 - March 3, 2018) was just days away from turning 89. It seems that a healthy lifestyle (healthy diet and exercise) extends life somewhat, but more than that allows a person to remain healthy for much longer. That is, they're less likely to linger for years and years with a poor quality of life.
 
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'd say true to a point.

FWIW, I'm a believer that it's not cholesterol that is killing people and creating heart disease but sugars.



You may very well be correct. However, the cynic in me (I am a natural at it) can't help but noting that at one point in time the thing to avoid in diets was cholesterol, then it became fats, then it became carbs and now its sugar, and to a lessor degree artificial sugar. I think I left a few fads out of there, but you get the point why I am suspicious, despite the fact that diabetes did my father in.
 
I agree that it seems the target is moving.

However, it seems that heart disease, obesity and other bad conditions have only increased as we've heeded the guidance that suggests we avoid fats, eat low fat foods, etc.

Moderation is probably the best course of action. I tend to believe that eating from the perimeter of the store is your best bet. Eat real meats, fish, dairy, fruits and vegetables for the most part, with moderate additions of things from the aisles of the store that are processed, often with sugars and a host of science experiment chemicals.

I don't think I fall into the tin-foil hat crowd that is saying science is bad. But I don't understand why flour has to be bleached and then fortified? Why not just use all of the grain to make the flour in the first place?

Why do we need to add sugar to breakfast cereals? For instance, take something like Kellogg's Cracklin' Oat Bran Cereal: https://www.kelloggs.com/en_US/products/...nutrition-modal

A serving (if people actually measured out a serving it's 3/4 cup) is 200 calories and 34g of carbohydrates. Of that 14g are sugars. Sugar is the 2nd ingredient. According to the FDA, that's 11% of the RDA for carbs. That means the typical person on a 2000 calorie diet is to get 309g of carbohydrates, or just over 1200 calories (60%) of that diet from carbohydrates.

My dietitian has me on a 225g/day carbohydrate diet and 2250 calories/day or about 40% carbohydrates. As I said before, my fasting BG has dropped from over 180 mg/dL to averaging around 110-115 mg/dL. No change in my exercise routine. Just more protein, not necessarily lean, and fats and fewer carbs. About a 40% carbs and 30% each fats and protein.

How many people really eat a single serving when they open a package of cookies or chips or ..... ?

I looked at a box of Thin Mint Girl Scout cookies. One serving is 160 calories, mostly carbs, then fat, and a trace of protein, maybe 1g.

Lots of calories, very little actual nutrition.

I did have breakfast at McDonalds on Monday as I had an early service call 140 miles from home. An Egg McMuffin is not a bad choice. It's about 300 calories, 30g carbs, 12g fat and 18g protein. Instead of the hash browns that come with the meal, get the apple slices. Two bags are 30 calories. Yes, they are all carbs, but you get better nutrition than the hash browns which are 160 calories, 16g of carbs, 10g of fat and 1g of protein.

But you would have thought I was the only person to have ever asked for the apple slices as the girl at the register didn't know how to sub the apple slices for the hash browns.

Add to that a coffee with cream and it's a pretty good meal. Not as good as the peppers and onions omelette I usually make to go with my 2 slices of center cut bacon and a banana or a bowl of fruit. But not bad for on the road. (BTW, my 2 egg omelette meal described above is 405 calories, 35g of carbs, 30g from the banana, 20g fat and 24g protein.)

And I'm getting some real nutrients.

How many have a doughnut or sugary cereal, or something and call it good. Then they are hungry a few hours later?

I see this with oilBabe and me. We both have to watch our weight. She is still convinced that low fat is where it's at. But who is losing weight when we watch what we eat? I proportionally will lose 2% of my body weight for every 1% she does with her low fat regime.

I realize this is anecdotal. However, when you look at the entire body of research, it's hard to make a case for the low-fat, low-cholesterol eating plan. It's hard to make the case that the 60% carbs food pyramid is sound.

I'm not going as far as to say we should become Ogg the caveman and go totally Paleo, or Ketogenic (unless you have siezures and are ordered by your DR to go ketogenic) with carbs being under 10% or 25% of our diets. But I do believe the healthy number, for most, is somewhere above that 25% and below the 60% that the FDA has suggested for decades.
 
I'm not sure I read about the composition of the TC number in the article. I tend to agree that higher TC, probably to a point, is healthier than we've been lead to believe. I've seen articles that point to higher incidence of Alzheimers being correlated with lower cholesterol levels.

But I would be concerned about that makeup of the TC number, as it's LDL + HDL + 0.2*Triglycerides.

One can have a reasonably healthy TC number, but if it's made up of too much LDL and triglycerides, you may still be at higher risk.

Ultimately, it's all about balance. Too many mornings of little chocolate frosted donuts for breakfast can't be good for you long term. The occasional such breakfast probably doesn't hurt. But do it day after day after day and you are likely to do damage to your body.

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: javacontour
I'd say true to a point.

FWIW, I'm a believer that it's not cholesterol that is killing people and creating heart disease but sugars.

IIRC, your body will turn excess carbohydrates into LDL cholesterol and triglycerides.


http://vernerwheelock.com/179-cholesterol-and-all-cause-mortality/
 
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