the full saps Total is 0.9% it doesn't qualify for full saps under the current rules, but also doesn't qualify for mid-saps.
When is a HDEO not better?
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My Focus doesn't even ask for a low or mid SAPS oil from the factory anyway. In fact I've seen A5/B5 oils recommended for my car by Ford with SA of 1.4%. Certainly if the engine isn't burning any oil I doubt it would ever be an issue.
As for cost... 5 oil changes (one years worth of changes) with Total Quartz 9000 0w30 will cost me £150. I can get enough Castrol Vectron 10w30 Long Drain ACEA E6/E9 (which is a low SAPS oil) to do 5 oil changes for £77. That's a HUGE difference.
As for cost... 5 oil changes (one years worth of changes) with Total Quartz 9000 0w30 will cost me £150. I can get enough Castrol Vectron 10w30 Long Drain ACEA E6/E9 (which is a low SAPS oil) to do 5 oil changes for £77. That's a HUGE difference.
You're paying too much for the total. 20 litres of total cost me 100 euro, or about £90.
But at the price of the Vectron, it's worth a go I suppose? In fact it has a few things going or it: very low viscosity modifier loading and I'm willing to bet it has a very low Noack aswell.
But at the price of the Vectron, it's worth a go I suppose? In fact it has a few things going or it: very low viscosity modifier loading and I'm willing to bet it has a very low Noack aswell.
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
You're paying too much for the total. 20 litres of total cost me 100 euro, or about £90.
But at the price of the Vectron, it's worth a go I suppose? In fact it has a few things going or it: very low viscosity modifier loading and I'm willing to bet it has a very low Noack aswell.
I think the issue is I can't get the Total in bulk here, only in 5 litre jugs. I think 100 euro is closer to £100 now that the pound has fallen too, guess I'll find out tomorrow when I go get some Euros.
I really am happy with the Total but £70 more a year for the same protection I'll probably get from the HDEO isn't worth it to me.
Only disappointing thing is Castrol don't publish NOACK or HTHS figures. It is quite a thick 30 weight at 12.2mm²/s @ 100°c. In fact the Castrol Vectron 10w40 Long Drain is only 12.9mm²/s @ 100°c, not a lot of difference there.
You're paying too much for the total. 20 litres of total cost me 100 euro, or about £90.
But at the price of the Vectron, it's worth a go I suppose? In fact it has a few things going or it: very low viscosity modifier loading and I'm willing to bet it has a very low Noack aswell.
I think the issue is I can't get the Total in bulk here, only in 5 litre jugs. I think 100 euro is closer to £100 now that the pound has fallen too, guess I'll find out tomorrow when I go get some Euros.
I really am happy with the Total but £70 more a year for the same protection I'll probably get from the HDEO isn't worth it to me.
Only disappointing thing is Castrol don't publish NOACK or HTHS figures. It is quite a thick 30 weight at 12.2mm²/s @ 100°c. In fact the Castrol Vectron 10w40 Long Drain is only 12.9mm²/s @ 100°c, not a lot of difference there.
If DPF is not of your concern the E6/9 should be viable option. I have used it in many cars/vans and never problems (other than DPF problem which may be coincidence). My choice was Petronas Urania FE/LS 5w30, it was PAO formulation at one point, but unsure now.
The Castrol oil will be a fair bit more viscous when cold, but it sounds like you drive long distances and any loss of efficiency during warm-up will not have a serious impact. And cold in the UK is quite relative, for most parts...
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
The Castrol oil will be a fair bit more viscous when cold, but it sounds like you drive long distances and any loss of efficiency during warm-up will not have a serious impact. And cold in the UK is quite relative, for most parts...
I was doing 700 to 1000miles a week but I've recently changed jobs and it's much less now. If I have a week in the office I do less than 250miles a week. My commute to the office is 19.5miles of fast A-roads. If I knew my mileage would change so drastically I would have looked at a 1.0 or 1.5 Ecoboost... in fact I would have probably bought a Fiesta ST.
10w should be good to -20°c so I should never have an issue in the UK really.
The Castrol oil will be a fair bit more viscous when cold, but it sounds like you drive long distances and any loss of efficiency during warm-up will not have a serious impact. And cold in the UK is quite relative, for most parts...
I was doing 700 to 1000miles a week but I've recently changed jobs and it's much less now. If I have a week in the office I do less than 250miles a week. My commute to the office is 19.5miles of fast A-roads. If I knew my mileage would change so drastically I would have looked at a 1.0 or 1.5 Ecoboost... in fact I would have probably bought a Fiesta ST.
10w should be good to -20°c so I should never have an issue in the UK really.
It's not a problem, but the Castrol oil will be twice as viscous at 0°C than the Total. And below that temperature the gap continues to widen, obviously.
So, I'd expect the fuel consumption to be a bit higher after winter starts, but as a plus the heater will function more quickly. I don't think the fuel difference will amount to £70 though.
Do you have accurate fuel data to compare consumption? I believe Fuelly is quite popular in the UK?
So, I'd expect the fuel consumption to be a bit higher after winter starts, but as a plus the heater will function more quickly. I don't think the fuel difference will amount to £70 though.
Do you have accurate fuel data to compare consumption? I believe Fuelly is quite popular in the UK?
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
It's not a problem, but the Castrol oil will be twice as viscous at 0°C than the Total. And below that temperature the gap continues to widen, obviously.
So, I'd expect the fuel consumption to be a bit higher after winter starts, but as a plus the heater will function more quickly. I don't think the fuel difference will amount to £70 though.
Do you have accurate fuel data to compare consumption? I believe Fuelly is quite popular in the UK?
How much extra wear will the thicker oil really cause though?
It's not a problem, but the Castrol oil will be twice as viscous at 0°C than the Total. And below that temperature the gap continues to widen, obviously.
So, I'd expect the fuel consumption to be a bit higher after winter starts, but as a plus the heater will function more quickly. I don't think the fuel difference will amount to £70 though.
Do you have accurate fuel data to compare consumption? I believe Fuelly is quite popular in the UK?
How much extra wear will the thicker oil really cause though?
no extra wear at all.
see this:
https://www.thelubricantshop.com/products/1074-total-rubia-tir-8900-fe-10w-30.aspx
http://www4.total.fr/nordic/auto_lubs/RUBIA_TIR_8900_FE_10W30_ENG.pdf
£50 for 5 changes... and thinner at all temperatures but same HTHS.
https://www.thelubricantshop.com/products/1074-total-rubia-tir-8900-fe-10w-30.aspx
http://www4.total.fr/nordic/auto_lubs/RUBIA_TIR_8900_FE_10W30_ENG.pdf
£50 for 5 changes... and thinner at all temperatures but same HTHS.
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
see this:
https://www.thelubricantshop.com/products/1074-total-rubia-tir-8900-fe-10w-30.aspx
http://www4.total.fr/nordic/auto_lubs/RUBIA_TIR_8900_FE_10W30_ENG.pdf
£50 for 5 changes... and thinner at all temperatures but same HTHS.
Once again... you've sold me down the road to buying a Total lubricant!
see this:
https://www.thelubricantshop.com/products/1074-total-rubia-tir-8900-fe-10w-30.aspx
http://www4.total.fr/nordic/auto_lubs/RUBIA_TIR_8900_FE_10W30_ENG.pdf
£50 for 5 changes... and thinner at all temperatures but same HTHS.
Once again... you've sold me down the road to buying a Total lubricant!
It's coincidence really, I was looking for a local supplier to get an idea of price and that popped up!
I ended up ordering 20 litres TOTAL RUBIA TIR 8900 10W-40 for the Defender and 20 litres of TOTAL RUBIA TIR 8900 10w30 for my Focus! Quite cheap actually.
they're HDEO, so no.
Is a HDEO good for a short tripping mini van?
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
There's A3/B4 HDEO's (15w40) out there.
They technically can exist, but it's a very fine line to dance upon from a formulation standpoint, particularly if using a CJ-4 or CK-4 formulation.
There's A3/B4 HDEO's (15w40) out there.
They technically can exist, but it's a very fine line to dance upon from a formulation standpoint, particularly if using a CJ-4 or CK-4 formulation.
the combination of E6/E9 and A3/B4 isn't possible though. E6/E9 is technically closer to the Total quartz 9000 he's using now than to any current A3/B4.
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