No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
What's with Continental tires?
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After swearing blindly I'd never touch Continentals again after the dangerous and [censored] Continental TouringContact AS's that came on my Taurus
I was extremely suprised by the Continental TrueContacts I put on my dads 300.
Quiet, comfortable, crisp turn in, absolutely amazing in the rain, and they have made his RWD 300 as good as any barge like torquey RWD sedan is gonna be in the snow.
And at $92 a corner, they were superb value.
I was extremely suprised by the Continental TrueContacts I put on my dads 300.
Quiet, comfortable, crisp turn in, absolutely amazing in the rain, and they have made his RWD 300 as good as any barge like torquey RWD sedan is gonna be in the snow.
And at $92 a corner, they were superb value.
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Originally Posted By: BHopkins
No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Apparently delivering OE tires is so lucrative (probably steady/predictable stream of tires one way and revenue the other) that vendors are willing to do this.
Krzys
No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Apparently delivering OE tires is so lucrative (probably steady/predictable stream of tires one way and revenue the other) that vendors are willing to do this.
Krzys
Originally Posted By: krzyss
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Apparently delivering OE tires is so lucrative (probably steady/predictable stream of tires one way and revenue the other) that vendors are willing to do this.
Krzys
A number of thoughts:
I find it interesting that many people seem to think the tire manufacturers are purposely delivering low quality tires to the OEM's - or the OEM's are purposely selecting cheap (low cost/low quality) tires from the mix of tires available - even after it is explained how the system works.
I can understand why people would be put off by the tires that come on new cars. And I can understand why some would be inclined not to buy that brand again. But what I don't understand is that once it is pointed out that OE tires are a problem regardless of brand, that the perception of where the blame lies doesn't change.
And, yes, supplying an OEM is quite good for business. Imagine a customer who buys a single product to be delivered on a regular basis to the same location for 3 years straight - compared to the guy who wants 100 different products (same overall volume), but wants them when he orders them, and then wants them delivered to different places and may, at a moment's notice, buy from someone else. Which business would you chose?
Yes, the OEM's are tough to deal with. Their standards are quite high. They demand such a low price. They demand all kinds of extra stuff. They don't want to buy the regular products - they want them specially designed to their specs. But the tradeoffs are worth it.
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Apparently delivering OE tires is so lucrative (probably steady/predictable stream of tires one way and revenue the other) that vendors are willing to do this.
Krzys
A number of thoughts:
I find it interesting that many people seem to think the tire manufacturers are purposely delivering low quality tires to the OEM's - or the OEM's are purposely selecting cheap (low cost/low quality) tires from the mix of tires available - even after it is explained how the system works.
I can understand why people would be put off by the tires that come on new cars. And I can understand why some would be inclined not to buy that brand again. But what I don't understand is that once it is pointed out that OE tires are a problem regardless of brand, that the perception of where the blame lies doesn't change.
And, yes, supplying an OEM is quite good for business. Imagine a customer who buys a single product to be delivered on a regular basis to the same location for 3 years straight - compared to the guy who wants 100 different products (same overall volume), but wants them when he orders them, and then wants them delivered to different places and may, at a moment's notice, buy from someone else. Which business would you chose?
Yes, the OEM's are tough to deal with. Their standards are quite high. They demand such a low price. They demand all kinds of extra stuff. They don't want to buy the regular products - they want them specially designed to their specs. But the tradeoffs are worth it.
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: krzyss
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Apparently delivering OE tires is so lucrative (probably steady/predictable stream of tires one way and revenue the other) that vendors are willing to do this.
Krzys
A number of thoughts:
I find it interesting that many people seem to think the tire manufacturers are purposely delivering low quality tires to the OEM's - or the OEM's are purposely selecting cheap (low cost/low quality) tires from the mix of tires available - even after it is explained how the system works.
I can understand why people would be put off by the tires that come on new cars. And I can understand why some would be inclined not to buy that brand again. But what I don't understand is that once it is pointed out that OE tires are a problem regardless of brand, that the perception of where the blame lies doesn't change.
And, yes, supplying an OEM is quite good for business. Imagine a customer who buys a single product to be delivered on a regular basis to the same location for 3 years straight - compared to the guy who wants 100 different products (same overall volume), but wants them when he orders them, and then wants them delivered to different places and may, at a moment's notice, buy from someone else. Which business would you chose?
Yes, the OEM's are tough to deal with. Their standards are quite high. They demand such a low price. They demand all kinds of extra stuff. They don't want to buy the regular products - they want them specially designed to their specs. But the tradeoffs are worth it.
You suggest that all OE tires are substandard. But experience doesn't support that. First, I will admit that I have bought mostly used cars, and thus have driven only a couple cars with factory OE tires. But I have talked to plenty of friends and co-workers. What I have learned is that many have had great success with OE tires, often reporting putting 60k miles on a set, and have been so pleased that they have put the very same tire back on when the OE tires do wear out. Others have shared being quite happy with the performance and tread wear life of the OE tires, but switched brands when the OE tires wore out, only because of brand preference, or because of finding a great sale.
So it's hard to accept that all OE tires are destined to be substandard, and that the consumer needs to be forgiving and understanding of this tough position that they are in, having to compromise for the OEM.
It's especially hard for me to buy this, because I work as a QE for a leading Tier I/II automotive supplier. I know it can be tough dealing with the OEM. And I realize that, as a consumable, tires are probably different from our products. But I still can't conceive providing a substandard product.
Originally Posted By: krzyss
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Apparently delivering OE tires is so lucrative (probably steady/predictable stream of tires one way and revenue the other) that vendors are willing to do this.
Krzys
A number of thoughts:
I find it interesting that many people seem to think the tire manufacturers are purposely delivering low quality tires to the OEM's - or the OEM's are purposely selecting cheap (low cost/low quality) tires from the mix of tires available - even after it is explained how the system works.
I can understand why people would be put off by the tires that come on new cars. And I can understand why some would be inclined not to buy that brand again. But what I don't understand is that once it is pointed out that OE tires are a problem regardless of brand, that the perception of where the blame lies doesn't change.
And, yes, supplying an OEM is quite good for business. Imagine a customer who buys a single product to be delivered on a regular basis to the same location for 3 years straight - compared to the guy who wants 100 different products (same overall volume), but wants them when he orders them, and then wants them delivered to different places and may, at a moment's notice, buy from someone else. Which business would you chose?
Yes, the OEM's are tough to deal with. Their standards are quite high. They demand such a low price. They demand all kinds of extra stuff. They don't want to buy the regular products - they want them specially designed to their specs. But the tradeoffs are worth it.
You suggest that all OE tires are substandard. But experience doesn't support that. First, I will admit that I have bought mostly used cars, and thus have driven only a couple cars with factory OE tires. But I have talked to plenty of friends and co-workers. What I have learned is that many have had great success with OE tires, often reporting putting 60k miles on a set, and have been so pleased that they have put the very same tire back on when the OE tires do wear out. Others have shared being quite happy with the performance and tread wear life of the OE tires, but switched brands when the OE tires wore out, only because of brand preference, or because of finding a great sale.
So it's hard to accept that all OE tires are destined to be substandard, and that the consumer needs to be forgiving and understanding of this tough position that they are in, having to compromise for the OEM.
It's especially hard for me to buy this, because I work as a QE for a leading Tier I/II automotive supplier. I know it can be tough dealing with the OEM. And I realize that, as a consumable, tires are probably different from our products. But I still can't conceive providing a substandard product.
If they put their name on it, I'll credit or blame them for it. If an OEM requires an unrealistic set of parameters it is up to the OEM to say "no". If someone considers my position unfair, that's their problem.
On the flip side, if a tire company changes the world with a new great product, I'll give them a second chance, unless they've been spending decades killing people with inferior product... but that only describes one tire company, and it's not Continental.
On the flip side, if a tire company changes the world with a new great product, I'll give them a second chance, unless they've been spending decades killing people with inferior product... but that only describes one tire company, and it's not Continental.
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: krzyss
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Apparently delivering OE tires is so lucrative (probably steady/predictable stream of tires one way and revenue the other) that vendors are willing to do this.
Krzys
A number of thoughts:
I find it interesting that many people seem to think the tire manufacturers are purposely delivering low quality tires to the OEM's - or the OEM's are purposely selecting cheap (low cost/low quality) tires from the mix of tires available - even after it is explained how the system works.
I can understand why people would be put off by the tires that come on new cars. And I can understand why some would be inclined not to buy that brand again. But what I don't understand is that once it is pointed out that OE tires are a problem regardless of brand, that the perception of where the blame lies doesn't change.
And, yes, supplying an OEM is quite good for business. Imagine a customer who buys a single product to be delivered on a regular basis to the same location for 3 years straight - compared to the guy who wants 100 different products (same overall volume), but wants them when he orders them, and then wants them delivered to different places and may, at a moment's notice, buy from someone else. Which business would you chose?
Yes, the OEM's are tough to deal with. Their standards are quite high. They demand such a low price. They demand all kinds of extra stuff. They don't want to buy the regular products - they want them specially designed to their specs. But the tradeoffs are worth it.
You suggest that all OE tires are substandard. But experience doesn't support that. First, I will admit that I have bought mostly used cars, and thus have driven only a couple cars with factory OE tires. But I have talked to plenty of friends and co-workers. What I have learned is that many have had great success with OE tires, often reporting putting 60k miles on a set, and have been so pleased that they have put the very same tire back on when the OE tires do wear out. Others have shared being quite happy with the performance and tread wear life of the OE tires, but switched brands when the OE tires wore out, only because of brand preference, or because of finding a great sale.
So it's hard to accept that all OE tires are destined to be substandard, and that the consumer needs to be forgiving and understanding of this tough position that they are in, having to compromise for the OEM.
It's especially hard for me to buy this, because I work as a QE for a leading Tier I/II automotive supplier. I know it can be tough dealing with the OEM. And I realize that, as a consumable, tires are probably different from our products. But I still can't conceive providing a substandard product.
I suppose you've never heard of the Bridgestone Potenza RE92? It's basically everything that one wouldn't want in a performance tire. It wears out quickly (treadwear rating 160). It doesn't grip well dry/wet/snow/ice. It squeals in hard turns. The one saving grace is that it's great for fuel economy tests. Yes they put their name on it. Yes it sucks. However, I don't know of anyone who would refuse to buy an aftermarket Bridgestone tire (many which are world class) because this particular OEM tire sucks donkey balls.
Of course every OE tire is spec'ed for a different purpose. I can't imagine Porsche ordering a tire with poor performance. They'll just live with poor fuel economy because that's not their deal. Some OE tires are spectacular.
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: krzyss
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
No matter how you interpret Barry's explanations of how an OEM specs out tires, it doesn't change how the consumer will feel about a particular brand, if their first experience with that brand is based upon factory tires. This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Apparently delivering OE tires is so lucrative (probably steady/predictable stream of tires one way and revenue the other) that vendors are willing to do this.
Krzys
A number of thoughts:
I find it interesting that many people seem to think the tire manufacturers are purposely delivering low quality tires to the OEM's - or the OEM's are purposely selecting cheap (low cost/low quality) tires from the mix of tires available - even after it is explained how the system works.
I can understand why people would be put off by the tires that come on new cars. And I can understand why some would be inclined not to buy that brand again. But what I don't understand is that once it is pointed out that OE tires are a problem regardless of brand, that the perception of where the blame lies doesn't change.
And, yes, supplying an OEM is quite good for business. Imagine a customer who buys a single product to be delivered on a regular basis to the same location for 3 years straight - compared to the guy who wants 100 different products (same overall volume), but wants them when he orders them, and then wants them delivered to different places and may, at a moment's notice, buy from someone else. Which business would you chose?
Yes, the OEM's are tough to deal with. Their standards are quite high. They demand such a low price. They demand all kinds of extra stuff. They don't want to buy the regular products - they want them specially designed to their specs. But the tradeoffs are worth it.
You suggest that all OE tires are substandard. But experience doesn't support that. First, I will admit that I have bought mostly used cars, and thus have driven only a couple cars with factory OE tires. But I have talked to plenty of friends and co-workers. What I have learned is that many have had great success with OE tires, often reporting putting 60k miles on a set, and have been so pleased that they have put the very same tire back on when the OE tires do wear out. Others have shared being quite happy with the performance and tread wear life of the OE tires, but switched brands when the OE tires wore out, only because of brand preference, or because of finding a great sale.
So it's hard to accept that all OE tires are destined to be substandard, and that the consumer needs to be forgiving and understanding of this tough position that they are in, having to compromise for the OEM.
It's especially hard for me to buy this, because I work as a QE for a leading Tier I/II automotive supplier. I know it can be tough dealing with the OEM. And I realize that, as a consumable, tires are probably different from our products. But I still can't conceive providing a substandard product.
I suppose you've never heard of the Bridgestone Potenza RE92? It's basically everything that one wouldn't want in a performance tire. It wears out quickly (treadwear rating 160). It doesn't grip well dry/wet/snow/ice. It squeals in hard turns. The one saving grace is that it's great for fuel economy tests. Yes they put their name on it. Yes it sucks. However, I don't know of anyone who would refuse to buy an aftermarket Bridgestone tire (many which are world class) because this particular OEM tire sucks donkey balls.
Of course every OE tire is spec'ed for a different purpose. I can't imagine Porsche ordering a tire with poor performance. They'll just live with poor fuel economy because that's not their deal. Some OE tires are spectacular.
Many OEM tires have more in common with their contract with the automaker than they do with set parameters that are spec'd to the particular car, etc. There is such a thing as an OEM version of the same aftermarket tire and they will be different. To judge a tire maker by OEM tires has never made much sense to me. There are good and bad tires from most manufacturers and I've typically found that a new set of aftermarket tires purchased soon after buying the car will greatly improve the comfort, performance, mileage or whatever parameter I'm targeting. That's an expected and budgeted item for me and usually doesn't have much to do with how bad the particular OEM make of tire is on a particular car.
Originally Posted By: Vuflanovsky
Many OEM tires have more in common with their contract with the automaker than they do with set parameters that are spec'd to the particular car, etc. There is such a thing as an OEM version of the same aftermarket tire and they will be different. To judge a tire maker by OEM tires has never made much sense to me. There are good and bad tires from most manufacturers and I've typically found that a new set of aftermarket tires purchased soon after buying the car will greatly improve the comfort, performance, mileage or whatever parameter I'm targeting. That's an expected and budgeted item for me and usually doesn't have much to do with how bad the particular OEM make of tire is on a particular car.
A friend of mine bought a new car with OE tires. I think they were a combination of low rolling resistance and long wear. He was kind of ticked off because he needed an excuse to replace them with something that performed better but couldn't justify buying new tires while there was decent tread left. So he abused these tires trying to get them to wear out early.
I certainly understand that some people take it personally when some company's product or service falls short of expectations. It's pretty common in message boards for a consumer to give a blanket statement to "stay away from Brand X. I got burned and I want to keep others from getting burned." All the major tire manufacturers produce OE tires, and pretty much every one has one that's pretty sad in one way or another.
Many OEM tires have more in common with their contract with the automaker than they do with set parameters that are spec'd to the particular car, etc. There is such a thing as an OEM version of the same aftermarket tire and they will be different. To judge a tire maker by OEM tires has never made much sense to me. There are good and bad tires from most manufacturers and I've typically found that a new set of aftermarket tires purchased soon after buying the car will greatly improve the comfort, performance, mileage or whatever parameter I'm targeting. That's an expected and budgeted item for me and usually doesn't have much to do with how bad the particular OEM make of tire is on a particular car.
A friend of mine bought a new car with OE tires. I think they were a combination of low rolling resistance and long wear. He was kind of ticked off because he needed an excuse to replace them with something that performed better but couldn't justify buying new tires while there was decent tread left. So he abused these tires trying to get them to wear out early.
I certainly understand that some people take it personally when some company's product or service falls short of expectations. It's pretty common in message boards for a consumer to give a blanket statement to "stay away from Brand X. I got burned and I want to keep others from getting burned." All the major tire manufacturers produce OE tires, and pretty much every one has one that's pretty sad in one way or another.
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
You suggest that all OE tires are substandard.
How you came to this conclusion after reading his response is beyond me. Maybe give it another read after you sober up.
You suggest that all OE tires are substandard.
How you came to this conclusion after reading his response is beyond me. Maybe give it another read after you sober up.
Originally Posted By: HangFire
..... If an OEM requires an unrealistic set of parameters it is up to theOEM [supplier] to say "no".......
Unfortunately, that doesn't work.
In the bad old days, the suppliers to an OEM had to do exactly what the OEM said or they didn't get any business at all - FOREVER - and with tires, we are talking tens and hundreds of millions of dollars a year worth of business
Things are different these days, but only by a bit. The OEM's can be reasoned with - up to a point - but in the end, the OEM decides and the supplier is required to comply. Failure to do so, means expulsion. The only tactic available is to price the product unreasonably high - and that has to be carefully done to avoid making the OEM angry.
..... If an OEM requires an unrealistic set of parameters it is up to the
Unfortunately, that doesn't work.
In the bad old days, the suppliers to an OEM had to do exactly what the OEM said or they didn't get any business at all - FOREVER - and with tires, we are talking tens and hundreds of millions of dollars a year worth of business
Things are different these days, but only by a bit. The OEM's can be reasoned with - up to a point - but in the end, the OEM decides and the supplier is required to comply. Failure to do so, means expulsion. The only tactic available is to price the product unreasonably high - and that has to be carefully done to avoid making the OEM angry.
Originally Posted By: BHopkins
This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Perhaps this question is more rhetorical than anything else...but why do you jump straight to the tires even after it's been explained? Why isn't your statement, "This is the first time I've owned a new Subaru with OEM tires I don't like. And I'm not willing to give Subaru a second chance at fooling me."?
You don't like the OEM tires that Subaru set the design parameters for. That's not Continental's fault, though as you point out, most consumers (even after having it explained) will indeed give them the blame. If the OEM supplier were Michelin, you'd have the same opinion of Michelin. Or Hankook. Or Firestone. Etc.
What you don't like are Subaru's design specs. Rather than not buying more Continental tires, I'd suggest not buying more Subarus.
This is the first time I have owned a set of Continental. And I'm not willing to give them a second chance at fooling me.
Perhaps this question is more rhetorical than anything else...but why do you jump straight to the tires even after it's been explained? Why isn't your statement, "This is the first time I've owned a new Subaru with OEM tires I don't like. And I'm not willing to give Subaru a second chance at fooling me."?
You don't like the OEM tires that Subaru set the design parameters for. That's not Continental's fault, though as you point out, most consumers (even after having it explained) will indeed give them the blame. If the OEM supplier were Michelin, you'd have the same opinion of Michelin. Or Hankook. Or Firestone. Etc.
What you don't like are Subaru's design specs. Rather than not buying more Continental tires, I'd suggest not buying more Subarus.
Originally Posted By: CapriRacer
Originally Posted By: HangFire
..... If an OEM requires an unrealistic set of parameters it is up to theOEM [supplier] to say "no".......
Unfortunately, that doesn't work.
You're describing an oligopoly, where a few sellers are so dominant they dictate terms to both the suppliers and the consumers. Yes, a few are huge, and no doubt throw their weight around to get the best prices. I might agree with you, if there weren't so many different car companies out there, most with at least one or more models that make a good economy of scale for a tire producer- for each model. The rest of the manufacturer's market share comes close to adding up to the big guns, and there is always one or more OEM's willing to make a deal. Choices can still be made if they have courage. For example Ariens told "no" to Walmart back in 2005, and they're still in business.
http://www.fastcompany.com/54763/man-who-said-no-wal-mart
On the other hand, Firestone didn't want to say "no", ended up losing a lot of money, and transitioned from one of the best managed companies to one of the worst. Finally they had to sell out to Bridgestone to survive. This is all before the Explorer debacle.
http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/1832.html
Saying "no" to huge GM contracts for then-new Radial tire technology, and taking a better investment approach to the Radial transition could have saved Firestone. Instead, making the tire the OEM demanded ASAP ruined it.
Originally Posted By: HangFire
..... If an OEM requires an unrealistic set of parameters it is up to the
Unfortunately, that doesn't work.
You're describing an oligopoly, where a few sellers are so dominant they dictate terms to both the suppliers and the consumers. Yes, a few are huge, and no doubt throw their weight around to get the best prices. I might agree with you, if there weren't so many different car companies out there, most with at least one or more models that make a good economy of scale for a tire producer- for each model. The rest of the manufacturer's market share comes close to adding up to the big guns, and there is always one or more OEM's willing to make a deal. Choices can still be made if they have courage. For example Ariens told "no" to Walmart back in 2005, and they're still in business.
http://www.fastcompany.com/54763/man-who-said-no-wal-mart
On the other hand, Firestone didn't want to say "no", ended up losing a lot of money, and transitioned from one of the best managed companies to one of the worst. Finally they had to sell out to Bridgestone to survive. This is all before the Explorer debacle.
http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/1832.html
Saying "no" to huge GM contracts for then-new Radial tire technology, and taking a better investment approach to the Radial transition could have saved Firestone. Instead, making the tire the OEM demanded ASAP ruined it.
I have two sets of Continentals that I bought, and one set that were OEM.
They are OK tires. I like the prices OK and they are quiet. I don't know if they are really going to last high miles, but 40-50k is perfectly ok with me.
I would buy some more. They do keep changing the names, which are kind of ambiguous to me.
They are OK tires. I like the prices OK and they are quiet. I don't know if they are really going to last high miles, but 40-50k is perfectly ok with me.
I would buy some more. They do keep changing the names, which are kind of ambiguous to me.
We have a set of PureContacts on the Forester and they've been very good. They seem to do just fine in snow, although a Subaru would probably have decent grip with almost any tire in snow.
The OEM Yokohama Geolanders were also very good.
I've never had a new car on which the OEM tires weren't at least decent overall, even though I've often found aftermarket tires to offer a better blend of characteristics in our use.
To blame a tire company for supplying what the OEM ordered is silly.
The Michelins that came on our '99 Accord were nothing special while the Primacys I later put on the car were great.
OTOH, the Michelins that came on our '97 Aerostar were great while the Harmoneys I later put on it were not as good overall.
Within every brand of tire, there are some really good models and some that you'd recommend only to an obnoxious BIL.
In short, I'd recommend the PureContact despite some of the Cotinental products supplied to OEMs.
The OEM Yokohama Geolanders were also very good.
I've never had a new car on which the OEM tires weren't at least decent overall, even though I've often found aftermarket tires to offer a better blend of characteristics in our use.
To blame a tire company for supplying what the OEM ordered is silly.
The Michelins that came on our '99 Accord were nothing special while the Primacys I later put on the car were great.
OTOH, the Michelins that came on our '97 Aerostar were great while the Harmoneys I later put on it were not as good overall.
Within every brand of tire, there are some really good models and some that you'd recommend only to an obnoxious BIL.
In short, I'd recommend the PureContact despite some of the Cotinental products supplied to OEMs.
I've got Purecontacts on the Volvo T5. Great tires. I've got Contacts on the Corolla that have also been great. Depends on the tire model, but I would Continental tires again in a heartbeat.
My only experience with Continentals is the ones I had on my 2300 from the factory (contitrac); they wore like iron and sounded like a foundry from day 1.
As someone posted, companies make some good and some not so good tires. I can't see myself buying any solely from the 1st experience with them.
The peeing match is over here
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2787006&page=1
As someone posted, companies make some good and some not so good tires. I can't see myself buying any solely from the 1st experience with them.
The peeing match is over here
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2787006&page=1
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I had PureContacts on a car I owned they were awesome.
Sold The car.
Cheers.
Sold The car.
Cheers.
Love the DWS06 we have on the Mazda and the BMW
They performed great on ice/snow we had 2 days ago here... (I was the 1st or 2nd person to drive on several unplowed roads, and was worried about the ice especially, but the DWS06 did GREAT!)
It is 2nd best on Tire Rack TESTS right now for its class - (NOT consumer reviews, but TR tests itself)
They performed great on ice/snow we had 2 days ago here... (I was the 1st or 2nd person to drive on several unplowed roads, and was worried about the ice especially, but the DWS06 did GREAT!)
It is 2nd best on Tire Rack TESTS right now for its class - (NOT consumer reviews, but TR tests itself)
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