What's behind the HTO-06 specification?

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Does anyone know what makes an oil meet HTO-06? I searched the web to see if I could find details behind this specification set forth by Honda. So far I've learned that M1, PP, Amsoil, and Kendal GT1 meet this in 5w30 only. I wonder if it has something to do with measuring an oil's ability to control deposits from high temps within the turbocharger? Just seems odd to me that Valvoline, Castrol, and other big players do not advertise being able to meet HTO-06 on their 5w30 offerings.
 
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Originally Posted By: HondaRD
I wonder if it has something to do with measuring an oil's ability to control deposits from high temps within the turbocharger?

That's pretty much it, AFAIK.
 
From the list of HTO-06 approved oils below, I suspect there's a little bit of marketing in there as well...

Mobil 1 5w30
Petro-Canada Turbo Synthetic 5w30
Pennzoil Platinum 5w30
AMSOIL Signature Series 0W-30
Kendall GT-1 Ultimate Synthetic Motor Oil 5w30
76 Super Synthetic Motor Oil 5w30
 
Amsoil 0w30 is not approved for HTO-06, it's only recommended for use in a HTO-06 application by Amsoil.
 
Maybe 'approved' was a poor choice of words on my part...

But clearly there has to be more to it than just recommending your oil for an application: Valvoline recommends SynPower for the RDX on their online application guide but nowhere do they mention HTO-06. When I last inquired about HTO-06, Ashland reported that they "are currently in discussion about acquiring this certification."

Amsoil on the other hand, proudly proclaims it (http://www.amsoil.com/news/2008_april_signatureseries.pdf).
 
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Originally Posted By: HondaRD
Does anyone know what makes an oil meet HTO-06? I searched the web to see if I could find details behind this specification set forth by Honda. So far I've learned that M1, PP, Amsoil, and Kendal GT1 meet this in 5w30 only. I wonder if it has something to do with measuring an oil's ability to control deposits from high temps within the turbocharger? Just seems odd to me that Valvoline, Castrol, and other big players do not advertise being able to meet HTO-06 on their 5w30 offerings.






Read Doug's comment on page 2 of FF on GM vehicles.
 
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
Amsoil 0w30 is not approved for HTO-06, it's only recommended for use in a HTO-06 application by Amsoil.


I would take an oil like Amsoil which is a recommended oil over an approved oil any day...

Seems like they are better and there isn't 1 horror story that I know of where it has failed in any way (Amsoil anyways)
 
"Recommended" in this case means Amsoil says it's good enough for Honda's spec.

"Approved" in this case means Honda has tested it and knows it's good enough for their own spec.

I'm not saying that Amsoil is lying, nor am I saying that Amsoil isn't better than the "approved" oils. I'm merely pointing out that if you're going to use the wording as an indication, the indication is the other way.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
"Recommended" in this case means Amsoil says it's good enough for Honda's spec.

"Approved" in this case means Honda has tested it and knows it's good enough for their own spec.

I'm not saying that Amsoil is lying, nor am I saying that Amsoil isn't better than the "approved" oils. I'm merely pointing out that if you're going to use the wording as an indication, the indication is the other way.


I agree with you... But all of us know that Amsoil could pass these tests with flying colours but chooses not to because of the expense to have them certified and would rather put this money into Marketing and their quality of product... They do have one API certified oil for warranty use, but I would have no problem using the "recommended" stuff instead of the "Approved" stuff during warranty because I have confidence in their product, they have a warranty they stand behind and a dealer would be able to tell if oil was changed regularly by tearing down an engine... I don't buy into the fear thing for myself, but to each their own...
 
They sponsor racing teams, they had a commercial recently, they market by sending out mail out to their customers etc. Mainly they just put that money back into the product, and the product speaks to this IMO.
 
Originally Posted By: StevieC
They sponsor racing teams, they had a commercial recently, they market by sending out mail out to their customers etc. Mainly they just put that money back into the product, and the product speaks to this IMO.



I just hadn't seen them in Indy cars, Nascar, F1 or other forms of racing. It does seem like they should get certified to meet more of the FF standards. Just saying they are good enough requires a lot of faith from the consumer.
 
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Originally Posted By: Johnny
There is more racing than just Indy, NASCAR, and F1.

http://www.amsoil.com/racing.aspx



I started listening to Sid Collins in the 50s announce the Indy 500 over the radio. He could really paint a picture with the way he called a race. Yes I have followed racing of all sorts my entire life and am aware of many types of racing. When I lived in Maine in the 60s and 70s I loved to waTCH ICE RACING ON THE FROZEN LAKES. Great sport.
 
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Originally Posted By: StevieC
They sponsor racing teams, they had a commercial recently, they market by sending out mail out to their customers etc. Mainly they just put that money back into the product, and the product speaks to this IMO.



I just hadn't seen them in Indy cars, Nascar, F1 or other forms of racing. It does seem like they should get certified to meet more of the FF standards. Just saying they are good enough requires a lot of faith from the consumer.


Which IMO they must be a good product. A company like Amsoil wouldn't be around since the 70's with sales booming year after year as they are if they didn't make a product that stands up to their claims... I think most people get caught up in marketing and not performance. Look at Castrol, they market like a SOB and they don't have the best product on the market although they make the ads seem like they do!
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Now who's thinking with their dipstick?
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Originally Posted By: Liquid_Turbo
Honestly, I wish Amsoil should really pay to get their oils officially recognized.


They would have to do it again every time they change the formula. I think that's what they're trying to stay away from, because it will add a lot of extra cost.
 
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