What would be an acceptable charge time at a fast charger for you?
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The only time I see myself using a fast charger is during a long road trip - so 15-25 mins is perfectly fine since it would also allow me to buy a snack, use the restroom, etc.
I would expect all other charging to take place at home.
I would expect all other charging to take place at home.
10-15 at the most.
Agree on 10-15 minutes MAX, but I'll add this - I want at least 350 miles of range after charging, even if I'm using max AC or max heat.
Scott
Next time you get gas, put the nozzle in at the slowest speed of fill, then ask yourself, how much time you feel like wasting every time you need a charge. Don't forget to add in time spent doing it in the rain, snow or freezing cold just waiting around for the thing to charge up.,,,
It is what it is. We wait in lines for gas, groceries, restaurants, doctors etc. If anything Americans are impatient.
So would 5 minutes be acceptable? 10?
3 minutes, equivalent to fueling up at the pump, as long as that means I get a 420 mile range like my tank of gas does.
Yup, I want it to be no different than filling my gas or diesel tank.
I had the realization last year when we drove from Goleta to Concord, CA to go to Sonoma that it would be impossible in an EV without waiting hours for a charge. As it was we grabbed some scarf and barf in King City and filled up the car even though there was enough range to get there. I just like filling up whenever we stop.
11 minutes. 11 is the master number in numerology so why not.
Now that is a fast charge
Nothing says you have to do a full charge every time. Maybe just give yourself a 25% boost so that you can get to your home charger.
Do we?
Some order groceries from delivery services. Or we order ahead and park in the designated spot and have someone bring them out to the car.
Are we impatient (yes some are) or do we value using our time in other ways?
This is one of the advantages of being able to charge at home. If one has the ability to charge in their driveway or garage, that is time not spent outside of the home charging or fueling. (Also one of the disadvantages as fueling quickly doesn't impact the life of the fuel tank like rapid charging can degrade the battery system.)
For some, the extra time spent charging in public is more than offset by the time saved NOT fueling every few days, etc.
As I mentioned in the other thread. A trip to Gas Pro Shop (Buc'ees) might be 15-30 minutes as that's a destination, so getting a full(ish) charge in that time is feasible.
In day to day use, slower charging is adequate and likely a winner as it doesn't have the same impact on the battery.
Fast charging is, IIRC, a way to reduce battery life.
Okay, I admit, I'm straying from the question a bit, while trying to point out the relative advantages and disadvantages. For longer trips where charging is needed, I'd think 30 minutes every 3-4 hours of travel (180-240 miles) would be about the max folks would want to spend.
More likely 15 minutes with an added 200-250 miles of range.
With the understanding that the faster the rate the battery can be charged, the greater the negative impact on battery longevity.
I would think that for most people it would be rare to need a full charge everytime. Most people would probably only do the longer charges on long trips where you might enjoy a short break anyway for the bathroom or snacks. Otherwise gone charging would be the norm.
It's different in an EV or even a PHEV. One is supposed to shut down the engine in an ICW when fueling and usually one wants to be there, although I've seen people get back in their cars. EVs can use some of the incoming power to provide heat. I've seen people charging and some choose to go shopping while others wait in the car, usually on their phones.
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If it's not the same amount of time (as filling an ICE vehicle), it's a waste of my time.
Oh, and the charge has to hold as long as gas stays fresh (useable) in my gas tank.
Anything less is a sad compromise.
Certainly it makes sense to charge at home for a daily driver, especially since the costs are often lower.
There are people who are having issues charging at home because they might live in an apartment or condo where the setup may be difficult. But that can be offset if they work somewhere - especially given that many employers/office complexes have free charging setups. However, it seems like many are choosing to use DC fast charging as an alternative if there are no home or work charging options. It's also pretty popular among ride share drivers.
DC fast charging is supposed to make road trips more practical, although obviously many would like it if they had places like hotels providing complimentary charging. But still if there's a 500 mile driving day, there's going to need to be some charging stop.
We went on a day trip to the Monterey Peninsula in a Tesla Model 3 RWD with maybe a 271 mile estimated range. Getting back home on a 100% charge was iffy - especially give all the little side trips and unplanned stops. We weren't planning on stopping anywhere more more than maybe 90 minutes, so Level 2 charging wasn't going to cut it. We ended up charging twice. Once was before reaching Monterey just to alleviate our future range anxiety and also to take a break. The second was in Santa Cruz on the way home as we had decided to make another unplanned stop. But 20 minutes charging here or there helped a lot.
If people want an EV to fuel up as fast as a ICE, at least what's available today, it ain't gonna happen.
Having said that, ICE spends far more time fueling than my Model 3 because I charge at home the vast majority of the time.
If you regularly drive over 200 miles per day you will spend time at Superchargers. Depending on your location, you need to follow your cars guidance because chargers may not be available. There may be lines and those lines could be much worse than Costco gas stations. If you drive like most people and can charge at home, you will spend very little time at superchargers. If you can charge at work, even better.
Look at all the media clickbait surrounding the Chicago fiasco. That was human error for the most part. If the problems were really that bad, why only in Chicago? Please.
When I do charge on the road, it is for 10 minutes, unless I am in a store fooling around. I only top off. Plus when your battery is at a low state of charge, it charges fast. Especially on the faster chargers! I can tell you plugging in, walking into Starbucks, getting you cup of Joe, will take 10 minutes easily. Check emial or meeting messages and 20 minutes flies by.
Once again, a vehicle choice depends on your use case. I am planning on buying another Tesla, in fact there is no other car on my list. But that's just me; it may not be you.
My new Tesla, a Model 3 Performance Highland, will rarely see a supercharger because a 90% charge will do pretty much everything I need it to do. If I am going further, I fly.
That's a long winded answer when I just coulda said 10 to 20 minutes.
Having said that, ICE spends far more time fueling than my Model 3 because I charge at home the vast majority of the time.
If you regularly drive over 200 miles per day you will spend time at Superchargers. Depending on your location, you need to follow your cars guidance because chargers may not be available. There may be lines and those lines could be much worse than Costco gas stations. If you drive like most people and can charge at home, you will spend very little time at superchargers. If you can charge at work, even better.
Look at all the media clickbait surrounding the Chicago fiasco. That was human error for the most part. If the problems were really that bad, why only in Chicago? Please.
When I do charge on the road, it is for 10 minutes, unless I am in a store fooling around. I only top off. Plus when your battery is at a low state of charge, it charges fast. Especially on the faster chargers! I can tell you plugging in, walking into Starbucks, getting you cup of Joe, will take 10 minutes easily. Check emial or meeting messages and 20 minutes flies by.
Once again, a vehicle choice depends on your use case. I am planning on buying another Tesla, in fact there is no other car on my list. But that's just me; it may not be you.
My new Tesla, a Model 3 Performance Highland, will rarely see a supercharger because a 90% charge will do pretty much everything I need it to do. If I am going further, I fly.
That's a long winded answer when I just coulda said 10 to 20 minutes.
I think you could do better than hours. Depends on your route and the car's capability. That's a 350 mile trip, right?
Goleta to Concord
