What would be an acceptable charge time at a fast charger for you?

FlyingVan said:
What I believe is needed for EVs to take off is lower price. So far all EVs are luxury vehicles that the rich people buy. And we are seeing a cooling off of the market because most of the people who could affors an EV got one. We need cheap EVs that average Joes can buy. A range of 250 miles is good enough for lots of people and there are lots of people that can charge overnight at home.
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I don't know if it would be that popular, but certainly a "city car" might be a good use. Think something like a modern day version of a Citroën 2CV. Something ideal as a grocery getter with at least the ability to carry a few bags.

This is something pretty popular in other parts of the world. Small EVs are pretty popular in Asia these days although I'm not sure about the quality or safety of many of them. But they're cheap and parking might cheaper too because of their size.
 
alarmguy said:
Agree, in’s laughable that people bring up gasoline failures in older cars when massive amounts of new EVs are stuck all over the place and being towed away in the news reports because of frigid weather.

So divert that disaster by making up stories about gasoline engines with a dead $150 dollar 12 V battery 🤣 in an old cars.
If I was you, I wouldn’t even play into that by responding.
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I think this is a complete misunderstanding of the problem though. EVs can have low voltage battery failures just as the standard 12V batteries in an ICE vehicle with the same result. They don't turn on or start. Unless it's clearly showing the drive battery is 0% I doubt it's the main issue. If you've got nothing on the screen, I'd be looking at the 12V battery first. Then again I keep a portable jump box in my cars just in case. I think this goes into the original comments about the average person not understanding what's going on and a person who is a member here is not the average consumer and actually understands the vehicles they use everyday. You wouldn't be the one stuck in this situation due to lack of knowledge.

Can the big battery fail in cold? Sure, anything is possible, but it would be much more likely to have the low voltage battery die in a cold snap as they have since the beginning of the automobile electrical system. That's usually when we find that problem.

Again, two completely different issues if it isn't in fact the case of the 12V battery, but they don't charge near as aggressively as most 12V do off of an alternator and even in the case of the modern electrical system of an ICE vehicle that limits charging(which sometimes causes problems in winter as well). Maybe some companies have done this but I don't see any reason why EVs would not be programmed to maintain the 12V system when the car is not being driven, but it seems that most of the time more often than not that isn't the case. Probably some safety system so that a failing 12V can't parasitically drain the big battery. Obviously ICE doesn't because it can't just be randomly starting the engine when it could possibly be in an enclosed area.
 
alarmguy said:
Agree, in’s laughable that people bring up gasoline failures in older cars when massive amounts of new EVs are stuck all over the place and being towed away in the news reports because of frigid weather.

So divert that disaster by making up stories about gasoline engines with a dead $150 dollar 12 V battery 🤣 in an old cars.
If I was you, I wouldn’t even play into that by responding.
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Massive amounts of new EVs stuck all over the place? C'mon bro. You cannot believe all the hyperbole, can you?
 
10 minutes max charge time for 350+ miles of range. And that's still 400% slower than what I get with my current cars: 2 min fill-ups and 400+ mile range.
 
The maximum flow rate allowed in U.S. pumps is 10 gal per minute. So 2 minutes actual fueling could provide 400 miles to some vehicles. But there's the getting in to the pump, getting out of the car, preparing to fuel, putting things away, preparing the car to drive again after fueling, perhaps just a bit more. So it's probably 5 minutes minimum to get the 400 miles range and that's if the station is directly on one's route and no detour at all is required. Add in slowing to exit the interstate and working back up to speed on it again and it's probably 10 minutes total. So not such a discrepancy after all.
 
JeffKeryk said:
Massive amounts of new EVs stuck all over the place? C'mon bro. You cannot believe all the hyperbole, can you?
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"Sixty percent of what the work our tow operators are doing are dead batteries, flat tires, or engine-related issues," Hart said."

The staff of River North Hand Car Wash & Detailing, at 1317 W. North Ave. in Bucktown, has been jumpstarting cars over and over for the past 48 hours.

"A lot of cars have been coming in frozen," said River North Hand Car Wash manager Bill DeMaio. "We've had to start cars for people – jumpstarting them; help them get in and out of vehicles; sometimes the actual doors are frozen in the car."

Pretty much everyone was having a problem for a couple days in Chicago.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/dead-batteries-engine-issues-motorists-deep-freeze/
 
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alarmguy said:
Agree, in’s laughable that people bring up gasoline failures in older cars when massive amounts of new EVs are stuck all over the place and being towed away in the news reports because of frigid weather.

So divert that disaster by making up stories about gasoline engines with a dead $150 dollar 12 V battery 🤣 in an old cars.
If I was you, I wouldn’t even play into that by responding.
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Lol, I saw one EV being towed where I live. It stayed -10f to 10f for half the week. The Tesla was towed to a tire store. I think you're buying into sensationalist media.
 
LDB said:
The maximum flow rate allowed in U.S. pumps is 10 gal per minute. So 2 minutes actual fueling could provide 400 miles to some vehicles. But there's the getting in to the pump, getting out of the car, preparing to fuel, putting things away, preparing the car to drive again after fueling, perhaps just a bit more. So it's probably 5 minutes minimum to get the 400 miles range and that's if the station is directly on one's route and no detour at all is required. Add in slowing to exit the interstate and working back up to speed on it again and it's probably 10 minutes total. So not such a discrepancy after all.
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Okay, but what about when its cold and gas is pumped at 1 gallon every 5 minutes? Because Ive had this happen numerous times.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/gas-pumps-that-run-slow.110734/
 
500mi worth of charge in amount of time I smoke 2 cigarettes max. Battery works as good for at least 10 years with no degradation in charge or range values. No fire hazard, no electric shock hazard, no chance manufacturer can turn car off on me, no need to renew any subscriptions, good 3rd party parts availability with reasonable prices, ability to get parts and do repairs at home for at least 10 years of ownership. Reasonable price to buy, say US$35-50k depending on features. Ability to charge at home and out there any day and every day and time.
Otherwise - no.
 
Ws6 said:
It actually would have been one time. I got about 2 gallons in 10 to 15 min and just decided to go home and fuel up the next day.
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Thats pretty rare though. I think thats an artifact of either a filter clog, or a low fuel situation.

Quite often though is two nozzles share a pump and when the opposite side starts pumping the gym volume drops to half.

More common is a bad credit card reader forcing you to go inside dead pumps, or blocked access due to refueling but thats still fairly uncommon. I go inside and pay cash for fuel anyway so my stops are never what people here claim.
 
UncleDave said:
Thats pretty rare though. I think thats an artifact of either a filter clog, or a low fuel situation.

Quite often though is two nozzles share a pump and when the opposite side starts pumping the gym volume drops to half.

More common is a bad credit card reader forcing you to go inside dead pumps, or blocked access due to refueling but thats still fairly uncommon. I go inside and pay cash for fuel anyway so my stops are never what people here claim.
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It is indeed quite rare, but I've not yet had an issue with the charger in my garage.
 
alarmguy said:
Agree, in’s laughable that people bring up gasoline failures in older cars when massive amounts of new EVs are stuck all over the place and being towed away in the news reports because of frigid weather.

So divert that disaster by making up stories about gasoline engines with a dead $150 dollar 12 V battery 🤣 in an old cars.
If I was you, I wouldn’t even play into that by responding.
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