I know, but I did think I needed to clarify "homeless" in context.It was a joke.![]()
I know, but I did think I needed to clarify "homeless" in context.It was a joke.![]()
Who "goes" to the gas station. You pull in on the way or from somewhere else. There everywhere, maybe its different where you are? I literally could not drive to a grocery store or restaurant without passing a gas station if I tried.Not speaking of you here, but so many seem to magically forget about how much time they really spend going to , being at, and coming from gas stations as though we all didnt grow up doing this either weekly or multiple times a week. We all know what to takes so pretending this isnt part of ice ownership is hilarious.
I get what you’re saying, but this just isn’t how they’re being used in most cases. I’ve only used public charging 5 times in over a year. It charges at home. I’m at a gas station at least once a week for my other car. Time involved stopped for fueling is exponentially higher with the gas car for me.I don't know about other posters but I just can't wrap my head around ticking off minutes at a charging station. Not enough hours in the day to begin with, just give me the pump filler nozzle.
At this stage of life, I won't find myself in an EV.
Let’s not overestimate the intelligence of our fellow citizens. Most of those people didn’t understand how their car worked, or the effect of temperature on their car. They never read the manual to understand how to operate it in the cold, or why you needed to tell the car it was going to charge so that the battery could be preconditioned, or that when the range gets to 0, it actually is zero, unlike a gas gauge where it runs for a bit longer.So.... All those Midwestern people that were pushing and towing these things in that last cold snap were all putting on a show, because some Youtuber proved them wrong with a 5 minute video?
I would like to see a 10-15 minute charge window myself.
What you're saying is true. But that in itself isn't going to keep it from happening. The same people with ICE vehicles motored on with minimal difficulty.Let’s not overestimate the intelligence of our fellow citizens. Most of those people didn’t understand how their car worked, or the effect of temperature on their car. They never read the manual to understand how to operate it in the cold, or why you needed to tell the car it was going to charge so that the battery could be preconditioned, or that when the range gets to 0, it actually is zero, unlike a gas gauge where it runs for a bit longer.
What was truly on show was their ignorance.
You got that right, and an EV probably makes a bad situation for the stupid, even worse.Let’s not overestimate the intelligence of our fellow citizens. Most of those people didn’t understand how their car worked, or the effect of temperature on their car. They never read the manual to understand how to operate it in the cold, or why you needed to tell the car it was going to charge so that the battery could be preconditioned, or that when the range gets to 0, it actually is zero, unlike a gas gauge where it runs for a bit longer.
What was truly on show was their ignorance.
To be fair - some of them might not be stupid, but they may not give much thought to the vehicle and its operation. My entire professional career, as well as much of my hobby time, is given to operation of various vehicle types. I am very interested in, and aware, of how things work.You got that right, and an EV probably makes a bad situation for the stupid, even worse.
Who "goes" to the gas station. You pull in on the way or from somewhere else. There everywhere, maybe its different where you are? I literally could not drive to a grocery store or restaurant without passing a gas station if I tried.
Let’s not overestimate the intelligence of our fellow citizens. Most of those people didn’t understand how their car worked, or the effect of temperature on their car. They never read the manual to understand how to operate it in the cold, or why you needed to tell the car it was going to charge so that the battery could be preconditioned, or that when the range gets to 0, it actually is zero, unlike a gas gauge where it runs for a bit longer.
What was truly on show was their ignorance.
You bring up some good points. Our careers differ greatly though. I learned early on in my business life that I had to a$$ume everyone I dealt with was stupid. I didn't start out that way, but unfortunately it was proven time and time again. So I had to spend a lot of time explaining things, or risk a nightmare of an outcome. Granted there were exceptions, and I would joke with them and apologize explaining my logic, they agreed. Lets say many people left a lot to the imagination. Imagine tasking someone going to college on a scholarship with a simple clean up a room task and fold drop cloths required a half an hour seminar on how to vacuum a carpet. Mind boggling I tell you, I could easily write a book about this, with some wild examples. There are people willing to open their minds, like your youngest, I enjoyed working with them and teaching them. They were the exception, not the norm. Consider yourself blessed!!To be fair - some of them might not be stupid, but they may not give much thought to the vehicle and its operation. My entire professional career, as well as much of my hobby time, is given to operation of various vehicle types. I am very interested in, and aware, of how things work.
Not everyone shares those interests, or experience.
My youngest, for example - Summa cum laude graduate in Molecular Biophysics and Biochemistry from a very well-respected school. Currently an MD/PhD student at another well-respected school. Works incredibly hard.
Breathtakingly intelligent.
Doesn’t know a lot about cars. She is learning quickly, and she calls me with questions about her car (The XC-90 that I went through last year).
If she had bought a Tesla, she might not have had full understanding of how it worked, or the unique planning required to use an EV in inclement weather. I sure didn’t prior to this thread.
It’s hard for us, the automotive enthusiasts, to understand, but there are folks who don’t care about cars, and don’t give them much thought. Those folks might well be focused on things that are much more important to them - like Biochemistry and Biophysics, for example. The car is simply a means to an end, not an end in itself.
Further, they might not have a Dad to call when they’re venturing out or have a question.
And finally?
Yeah, outside of this group, there are a lot of stupid people…think of people you know with average intelligence.
Then realize that half, yes, half, the population is even dumber…
Actually, 0 is not zero. There might actually be a reserve. Can’t be guaranteed though. Some might have calibration issues and there are reports of some EVs refusing to run at 5%. I would never let it go down that far, just like I avoid letting a gas car get that low.
This Tesla owner wanted to try it out and targeted getting down to 0% displayed and managed to drive about 3/4 mile to a charging station.
I try to time these fillups so that I fill up at Costco when I am in the area with my vehicle, even if it not empty, just to avoid the separate trips. I have filled it up a couple of times when it's been over half full.To present the full time picture here would be to add the time it takes to drive to costco - then wait to pump - then pump - then drive home.
Costco almost always has a wait, but aside from you not one bitogger has ever gone or waited there. (lol)
Not speaking of you here, but so many seem to magically forget about how much time they really spend going to , being at, and coming from gas stations as though we all didnt grow up doing this either weekly or multiple times a week. We all know what to takes so pretending this isnt part of ice ownership is hilarious.
In these discussions the gas station with the cheapest gas in town is located at the end of the driveway so only pump time counts and every fuel stop is made enroute with zero detour, not one dedicated fuel trip is ever made on a weekend or during the week, and the bathroom is never once used on a road - every stop is like nascar, no one even gets out of the car.
Same with road trips - somehow they all magically start with a full tank without adding the time it takes to do that, and then when they return the car somehow starts the next week without a post trip fill up.
This is a "club" I would never care to join and intentionally avoid.
I do. My preferred gas station is out of the way because I want to use Top Tier gas. We don't all live in built up areas or want to buy cheap convenience store gas.Who "goes" to the gas station. You pull in on the way or from somewhere else. There everywhere, maybe its different where you are? I literally could not drive to a grocery store or restaurant without passing a gas station if I tried.
Perhaps the prices in your area are more reasonable than around here. Costco has lines most of the time; I get there 15 minutes before the warehouse opens.Who "goes" to the gas station. You pull in on the way or from somewhere else. There everywhere, maybe its different where you are? I literally could not drive to a grocery store or restaurant without passing a gas station if I tried.