What to use to eliminate brush and vines??

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What chemical would you use to get rid of brush and vines? I'm looking for something to pretty much nuke the ground. I mean scorched Earth.

I live in town so I can't pour oil,gas,or diesel out. I also don't want to burn either.

I've cleared off a bunch of brush from the back of my property,and I want it to stay that way. I've looked at a bunch of products in stores,but I thought I would ask around here first.
 
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If you don't want anything to grow for a long long time, salt could be your answer.

It's probably better for the environment than some expensive chemicals that will work.
 
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Pretty universally when I've used Roundup, everything dies, and stays dead. My grandfather used gallons of the stuff so I've stuck by it.

Edit: Park used cars over it, that seems to kill plenty of grass on the farm too, lol.
 
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I used Spectracide Kudzu/Poison Ivy/Poison Oak/Brush killer with some success. It wiped out most of it except for one extremely thick (3") poison ivy vine that had to be manually removed.

It takes many applications though, and you have to be thorough.

Ortho and Roundup make similar products, I used Spectracide because it was cheapest. You're looking for poison ivy killer...usually it says "plus tough brush killer" or something to that effect.
 
Triclopyr from a farm supply store like Tractor Supply. Brush it on the cut ends of vines and stumps, and/or it can be sprayed.

Roundup is not bad if you use it at higher concentrations. If you use Roundup many people add a few drops of dish detergent to help break up the wax layer on the leaves. BTW Glyphosphate is now available from many suppliers, so look around a little. Still suggest a farm supply or AG supply store. I'd use it around water, since it doesn't kill aquatic invertebrates.

2,4,d can also do an excellent job. The railroads around here used it long ago, but it's a really dangerous chemical. And does kill aquatic invertebrates (wipes out ponds.) Again, go to a farm supply store to purchase. Wash up after using.

Other things like Ortho Ground Clear and Spectracide Total Vegetation Killer can do a good job too, but can translocate in the soil and kill other plants and smaller trees.

On the more industrial end, Pramitol would be an excellent choice. Some paving companies use pellets under new asphalt to stave off weeds and grass. The liquid is also easy to apply. Get it at an AG supply store.

It should be mentioned that when spraying these chemicals, the plant must be activly growing to be effective. And target the leaves since nothing works just sprayed on the woody stems.
 
I agree with the brush killer concentrate. Roundup is great for most things, but it has a tough time killing English Ivy. Put an ounce of dish detergent in with the mix to help with keeping the spray on the leaf, otherwise it will just roll off.
 
Roundup is pretty good in killing weeds and small vegatation, but the tougher the brush and vine, (poison ivy, virginia creeper, etc), the higher concentration you have to use. If you have small trees, cut them off and use an old paint brush to paint the top of the stump, especially around the bark. Apply liberally.

With Roundup, be careful of spraying on a windy day as spray will drift and land on things you don't want to kill.

2-4-d is really strong stuff. It will kill everything, so if there are things you want to save, be very careful using it. It is hazardous to people as well so be very careful in how you handle it, (i.e. long pants, boots, long sleeve shirt and gloves. If you get ANY on you, wash yourself right away with soap and water. Change clothes when your done and stay out of area until product dries. Keep animals away from area till product is dry as well. If there is water near by, (i.e. pond or creek) beware of overspray.

The problem you'll encounter with all of the above is any seeds that are in the ground. Roundup and 2-4-d only kill the living plants but do not touch seeds. Keep in mind that with Roundup, you can till and plant the ground within seven days for most applications. Therefore, if there are any weed seeds, you've just opened a new patch for them to grow and flourish. Many weed seeds can lie in the ground for up to seven years before they sprout and grow. Therefore, you might have to plan on several applications to totally "kill" the ground. For best results, wait until daytime temps reach the 70's.

The salt idea is not bad at all. It depends on what you want to happen to this area of ground. If you want it to remain clear for a long time and have no plans on planting anything there, (like a garden or flowerbed), it really might be your best and safest way to go. It's Biblical as well as in the Old Testament, when a town was defeated, the victors spread salt on the city to symbolize it was "dead."

You might also consider a "pre-emergent." This product forms a "coating" on the ground that kills weeds and vines as they emerge. The only problem is rain will wash the coating away, so you have to plan on a rain free period of time, (seven to ten days) which can be hard to guess depending on your weather patterns and time of the year. (For example, here in Florida, now is the time for a pre-emergent as the rainy season is still a few months off).

And finally, the most enviormentally friendly way is a good old fashioned hoe and shovel. A grubbing axe can do wonders. Keep all tools sharp. A handy cooler with your favorite beverage makes the job a lot easier
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With all of the above, staying with it will ensure best results. A one time spray and walk away will not do the job. You could always buy a goat - they'll eat everything to the ground and provide free fertilizer. Be careful if you get a billy. Do not bend over in front of him.
 
One more thing - the soap idea really works. They even make a concentrate for commercial applications that help the product "stick" and it does break any coatings on vines and weeds (most vines and ivys have an oily coating, especially this time of year). Any cheap liquid dishsoap works, but for best results, use "Dawn." One ounce per gallon. Add this after you mix the product with water or you'll end up with tons of suds and the suds will be mixed with product so any overflow will kill whatever grass where you're mixing product. In other words, if you mix in your yard next to your shed/barn, you'll end up with a dead spot.
 
Nobody has mentioned fire yet, so I will. I've used it many times to kill all plants in an area. It also kills seeds on the ground. Of course, safety and legality must be considered. I've also "tamed" overgrown areas by first mowing over it.
 
Originally Posted By: Smoky14
We had real good luck with Agent Orange....not a real friendly product,, but effective.

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Whats funny is the 2,4-D everyones chattering about here is actually a major component of Agent Orange, lol.
 
roundup + tordon rtu = dead any brush/tree/vine you want. We use it on the terraces and fence lines of fields.
 
I wouldn't want to change soil chemistry on or around land that I own. Takes the natural beauty away.

I would rather weeds then barren. You see more bugs and birds, and you can try to shape it into something nice and hobby around with it.

Keep the weeds and try some gardening. It makes women go crazy. Get a case of beer and plant some shrubs or make a bit of an English rock garden.

Don't contaminate property it looks like a truck stop after. Then you get ants and dry rot pests and the lawn erodes.
 
Roundup will kill the stuff but not prevent it from coming back. There is a special Roundup to do that. 2-4-D which is in most lawn weed & feed only fill broadleaf weed and does not prevent it from coming back. There is generic Roundup (glyphosate) available. Farmers use is by the ton as they plant genetically modified seeds (corn, etc) that are not effected by glyphosate. Oddly Monsanto makes the seeds and Roundup.
 
Originally Posted By: cat843
Roundup will kill the stuff but not prevent it from coming back. There is a special Roundup to do that. 2-4-D which is in most lawn weed & feed only fill broadleaf weed and does not prevent it from coming back. There is generic Roundup (glyphosate) available. Farmers use is by the ton as they plant genetically modified seeds (corn, etc) that are not effected by glyphosate. Oddly Monsanto makes the seeds and Roundup.


Yes, called "Roundup Ready." They are resistant to roundup so a farmer can spray his crops with roundup after they have sprouted and not be affected by the product. I am not in favor of this.
 
Black plastic has its place too. Kill everything with your method of choice then put plastic and bricks on it. Especially helpful on hills where you can have the water run off and away.

Yeah stuff might sprout under it from the heat, but without water or sunlight it ain't going anywhere.
 
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