What qualifies a college grad as an Engineer ???
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Exhaustgases
And besides when it comes to a machinery aspect of engineering, in the end its the machinist and mechanic that really solves the problems, not the engineer because most of them know absolutely nothing about machining and mechanics.
Does the chip on your shoulder make it easier to turn corners ?
LOL...quoted for truth.
Yea look at the things "Degreed Engineers" did during WWII. It was mind boggling. Without a doubt won the war for us. Not minumizing the efforts of factory workers or Soldiers.
Originally Posted By: Exhaustgases
And besides when it comes to a machinery aspect of engineering, in the end its the machinist and mechanic that really solves the problems, not the engineer because most of them know absolutely nothing about machining and mechanics.
Does the chip on your shoulder make it easier to turn corners ?
LOL...quoted for truth.
Yea look at the things "Degreed Engineers" did during WWII. It was mind boggling. Without a doubt won the war for us. Not minumizing the efforts of factory workers or Soldiers.
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Depends on your field. Computer / electronics usually don't need license and anyone that works on the type of work can be called "engineers".
Those like civil engineers that need licenses will need either accredited higher education or lots of work experience, then take a certification test.
Agree.
If some reputable companies such as IBM, Intel ... designate you as an engineer and you have a Bachelor of Science degree from an accredited university such as MIT or Stanford ..., then you're an Engineer by any standard.
not by our standards... masters degree is needed, not bachelor
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Depends on your field. Computer / electronics usually don't need license and anyone that works on the type of work can be called "engineers".
Those like civil engineers that need licenses will need either accredited higher education or lots of work experience, then take a certification test.
Agree.
If some reputable companies such as IBM, Intel ... designate you as an engineer and you have a Bachelor of Science degree from an accredited university such as MIT or Stanford ..., then you're an Engineer by any standard.
not by our standards... masters degree is needed, not bachelor
I just stumbled on this long thread. I was a 'technical' type born into a family of the liberal arts-I think they wondered if there was a switch at the hospital. The bulk of my experience was military avionics and ordnance engineering. I thought I was a fairly sharp fella but quickly realized that I was in a world where many were far sharper than I. The thing that stands out was diplomas, degrees, certifications meant little as the many very good and the sometimes not so were spread around fairly equally, no matter their 'title' or formal education. I was lucky to be working with many very superior people. Being retired now, and looking back, it was a great ride.
Just to update this thread, here is another example of a person being fined for calling themselves an engineer (He did study engineering and receive a degree, but he is unlicensed in his state);
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/business/traffic-light-fine.html?_r=0
And all he did was say he was an engineer once or twice........
Don't call yourself an engineer unless you know the laws in your state - you risk a fine and possible liability for "malpractice"......
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/business/traffic-light-fine.html?_r=0
And all he did was say he was an engineer once or twice........
Don't call yourself an engineer unless you know the laws in your state - you risk a fine and possible liability for "malpractice"......
Well...we have engineers on this board who believe that they're military analysts even though they've had no training or experience in the field.
So, why not claim you're an engineer?
You can be anything you want! You've got the right!
So, why not claim you're an engineer?
You can be anything you want! You've got the right!
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Yeti,
I posted the question since BITOG has lots of 'real' engineers with the necessary credentials.
What is your education and career field ?
Please elaborate with all of us...
I was killing time on the computer, when I saw this old thread, and checked out the last few replies.
I was joking around, since I said to ask engineer20 to answer your thread title question. what ever happened to e20?
re: my career field/education -- even if I could discuss my personal business, I certainly wouldn't do it on the net/social media.(bitog is used as a social media site by many).
I didn't answer earlier, as I rarely hang around to see replies. as well, I'm not even here every day.
have a good day.
Yeti,
I posted the question since BITOG has lots of 'real' engineers with the necessary credentials.
What is your education and career field ?
Please elaborate with all of us...
I was killing time on the computer, when I saw this old thread, and checked out the last few replies.
I was joking around, since I said to ask engineer20 to answer your thread title question. what ever happened to e20?
re: my career field/education -- even if I could discuss my personal business, I certainly wouldn't do it on the net/social media.(bitog is used as a social media site by many).
I didn't answer earlier, as I rarely hang around to see replies. as well, I'm not even here every day.
have a good day.
Originally Posted By: 97K15004WD
Just to update this thread, here is another example of a person being fined for calling themselves an engineer (He did study engineering and receive a degree, but he is unlicensed in his state);
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/business/traffic-light-fine.html?_r=0
And all he did was say he was an engineer once or twice........
Don't call yourself an engineer unless you know the laws in your state - you risk a fine and possible liability for "malpractice"......
Yeah - I heard about that. I don't know if he would have necessarily gotten in trouble putting the term "engineer" on a business card, but the moment he referred to himself as an engineer regarding a public issue the board jumped on him. Very few states have their "professional engineering" requirements include just the use of "engineer". Electronics is a pretty big industry in Oregon and they have a lot of people whose business cards say "engineer" without a professional engineer license; the largest private employer in the state is Intel. They have more employees in Oregon than they do in California.
Personally I think he's likely to win on the merits. Unless he's holding himself up as a consulting engineer for some project serving a public purpose (like a CPA license is needed for someone to sign off on an audit) I don't think him referring to himself as an electronics engineer should be a violation of law.
Just to update this thread, here is another example of a person being fined for calling themselves an engineer (He did study engineering and receive a degree, but he is unlicensed in his state);
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/business/traffic-light-fine.html?_r=0
And all he did was say he was an engineer once or twice........
Don't call yourself an engineer unless you know the laws in your state - you risk a fine and possible liability for "malpractice"......
Yeah - I heard about that. I don't know if he would have necessarily gotten in trouble putting the term "engineer" on a business card, but the moment he referred to himself as an engineer regarding a public issue the board jumped on him. Very few states have their "professional engineering" requirements include just the use of "engineer". Electronics is a pretty big industry in Oregon and they have a lot of people whose business cards say "engineer" without a professional engineer license; the largest private employer in the state is Intel. They have more employees in Oregon than they do in California.
Personally I think he's likely to win on the merits. Unless he's holding himself up as a consulting engineer for some project serving a public purpose (like a CPA license is needed for someone to sign off on an audit) I don't think him referring to himself as an electronics engineer should be a violation of law.
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
not by our standards... masters degree is needed, not bachelor
Those are company standards, right? When I worked in the research department of a large company, in order to be called a Research Engineer or Research Scientist you had to have a minimum of a master's degree. I had a bachelor's degree in engineering so I was a Research Technologist. But anywhere outside of the research department at that same company I would have had the title "Engineer", all of which was irrespective of whether I have a PE - which I don't.
not by our standards... masters degree is needed, not bachelor
Those are company standards, right? When I worked in the research department of a large company, in order to be called a Research Engineer or Research Scientist you had to have a minimum of a master's degree. I had a bachelor's degree in engineering so I was a Research Technologist. But anywhere outside of the research department at that same company I would have had the title "Engineer", all of which was irrespective of whether I have a PE - which I don't.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
not by our standards... masters degree is needed, not bachelor
Those are company standards, right? When I worked in the research department of a large company, in order to be called a Research Engineer or Research Scientist you had to have a minimum of a master's degree. I had a bachelor's degree in engineering so I was a Research Technologist. But anywhere outside of the research department at that same company I would have had the title "Engineer", all of which was irrespective of whether I have a PE - which I don't.
One place I worked a coworker had the title of "applications engineer" even though he never went to college at all, or maybe just a 2-year degree. He was basically doing all the stuff that anyone with a four year degree would have been doing. He had plenty of experience and a good reputation, so none of that really mattered.
Originally Posted By: Jetronic
not by our standards... masters degree is needed, not bachelor
Those are company standards, right? When I worked in the research department of a large company, in order to be called a Research Engineer or Research Scientist you had to have a minimum of a master's degree. I had a bachelor's degree in engineering so I was a Research Technologist. But anywhere outside of the research department at that same company I would have had the title "Engineer", all of which was irrespective of whether I have a PE - which I don't.
One place I worked a coworker had the title of "applications engineer" even though he never went to college at all, or maybe just a 2-year degree. He was basically doing all the stuff that anyone with a four year degree would have been doing. He had plenty of experience and a good reputation, so none of that really mattered.
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