What is the real deal on anti-virus programs?

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Haven't used an AV in years. Use a sandbox such as sandboxie,geswall,or defensewall,you wont have virus issues,etc.
I use on demand scanners such as hitmanpro,and malwarebytes,plus a backup image,never any any issues.
 
Jimmy if you want to make things relatively bulletproof in case you do have a serious problem I suggest the following.

1 a.) First and foremost do not run an account with Admin privledges. Go into User Accounts and create a new user. Name it "generic admin" or something. Grand it admin privledges and give it a password - it doesn't even have to be anything fancy (could be as simpole as the name of your dog+1) The purpose of this is to just create an admin account for management and install of software and to harden the "regular" user account you'll be using for everyday needs.

1 b.) Log into the admin account you just created and go back into the User Accounts and change your current account that you initially set it to "standard user" - no password required on this one. Log off the admin and into the standard user account to make sure everything is still working.

1 c.) Everytime you operate your machine, use the "standard user" account, with UAC (usaer access contol) set to its highest setting. You'll still be able to install software from and make changes within your standard account, you'll just get a prompt to enter the admin password when installing software or making changes to systemwide settings. Setting up your accounts in this fashion helps to prevent some forms of malware from installing as they usually require admin level privileges to get their hooks into the system. If you get a popup asking for an admin password for a program you don't recognize or even as a random event, don't enter the password unless you're certain.

You can still operate your computer normally and will not ever really need to touch that Admin account you created ever again, but you have to set one up so that you can elevate the privileges of the standard user account to admin status when necessary.

2. Next, install (if you haven't already) all of the programs you regularly use (and those you think you might need in the future). This is an important step so that you're prepapred for the next step of creating a cloned image of the disc in its "clean" state. Make sure to install your AV of choice along with MWB or whatever other secondary scanner you are going to use.

3. Go into disk management and partition the HDD so that you have a separate partition for storing all of your user created files (music, video, word docs etc) and use that partition only for the purpose of storing these items.

4. Go to http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/ and buy yourself a copy of Acronis True Image Home for $40. IIRC you have an external HDD which is great. Install Acronis but don't start the backup process yet.

5. Defrag your main partition (the one with the OS) using something like Auslogics http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag/download/.

6. Launch Acronis and follow the step by step guide to creating an image of your main partition (where the OS resides). Make sure you create a back-up rescue disc through the program as it is what allows you to boot from in order to reinstall the image you will be making with Acronis. Put that image on your external hard drive.

You now have a system with an AV plus a "hardened" standard user account which you will use for everyday computing. Should something get really messed up, you can always reload the cloned image of the disc using Acronis' boot CD and you'll still have all of your user data files located on the separate partition which won't be affected by having to reload the disc image you have created.

If you want to be super cautions, create an new Acronis disc image once every couple of months to make sure if you do have to reload the cloned image you have a relatively recent one.
 
But is it necessary to purchase the cloning software for $40? I've had success with a few different computers with different Windows versions using DriveImage XML from Runtime Software. I learned about DriveImage XML a few years ago from a helpful BITOGer.
 
Originally Posted By: buickman50401
Jimmy if you want to make things relatively bulletproof in case you do have a serious problem I suggest the following.

1 a.) First and foremost do not run an account with Admin privledges. Go into User Accounts and create a new user. Name it "generic admin" or something. Grand it admin privledges and give it a password - it doesn't even have to be anything fancy (could be as simpole as the name of your dog+1) The purpose of this is to just create an admin account for management and install of software and to harden the "regular" user account you'll be using for everyday needs.

1 b.) Log into the admin account you just created and go back into the User Accounts and change your current account that you initially set it to "standard user" - no password required on this one. Log off the admin and into the standard user account to make sure everything is still working.

1 c.) Everytime you operate your machine, use the "standard user" account, with UAC (usaer access contol) set to its highest setting. You'll still be able to install software from and make changes within your standard account, you'll just get a prompt to enter the admin password when installing software or making changes to systemwide settings. Setting up your accounts in this fashion helps to prevent some forms of malware from installing as they usually require admin level privileges to get their hooks into the system. If you get a popup asking for an admin password for a program you don't recognize or even as a random event, don't enter the password unless you're certain.

You can still operate your computer normally and will not ever really need to touch that Admin account you created ever again, but you have to set one up so that you can elevate the privileges of the standard user account to admin status when necessary.

2. Next, install (if you haven't already) all of the programs you regularly use (and those you think you might need in the future). This is an important step so that you're prepapred for the next step of creating a cloned image of the disc in its "clean" state. Make sure to install your AV of choice along with MWB or whatever other secondary scanner you are going to use.

3. Go into disk management and partition the HDD so that you have a separate partition for storing all of your user created files (music, video, word docs etc) and use that partition only for the purpose of storing these items.

4. Go to http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/ and buy yourself a copy of Acronis True Image Home for $40. IIRC you have an external HDD which is great. Install Acronis but don't start the backup process yet.

5. Defrag your main partition (the one with the OS) using something like Auslogics http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag/download/.

6. Launch Acronis and follow the step by step guide to creating an image of your main partition (where the OS resides). Make sure you create a back-up rescue disc through the program as it is what allows you to boot from in order to reinstall the image you will be making with Acronis. Put that image on your external hard drive.

You now have a system with an AV plus a "hardened" standard user account which you will use for everyday computing. Should something get really messed up, you can always reload the cloned image of the disc using Acronis' boot CD and you'll still have all of your user data files located on the separate partition which won't be affected by having to reload the disc image you have created.

If you want to be super cautions, create an new Acronis disc image once every couple of months to make sure if you do have to reload the cloned image you have a relatively recent one.


Good advise, just be sure that if you need to use the mirror image due to a virus you remove the virus before re-installing the mirror image. These viruses are tricky and can actually re-infect the system even after a full restore if the drive isn't wiped clean or the virus completely removed. At least this is what I was taught. If I'm wrong please advise.

I had good luck with Macrium Reflect free version for creating a mirror image of my system
 
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
Jimmy'
Buickman's ideas are good. Just make sure you have the disk space to mirror your current admin account.

Yes. However, a standard admin account that isn't going to be used for anything is going to take up less than 500MB of space.

Originally Posted By: BearZDefect
But is it necessary to purchase the cloning software for $40? I've had success with a few different computers with different Windows versions using DriveImage XML from Runtime Software. I learned about DriveImage XML a few years ago from a helpful BITOGer.

Not really necessary. I've played with Drive Image before. I just mentioned Acronis as I've used it many many times with zero headaches.

Originally Posted By: demarpaint

Good advise, just be sure that if you need to use the mirror image due to a virus you remove the virus before re-installing the mirror image. These viruses are tricky and can actually re-infect the system even after a full restore if the drive isn't wiped clean or the virus completely removed. At least this is what I was taught. If I'm wrong please advise.

I had good luck with Macrium Reflect free version for creating a mirror image of my system

Yes. In fact, if I had to reload an image because of an infection, I'd run my normal scans and then probably do a windows recovery counsel fixmbr and fixboot just prior reloading the image to make sure any rootkit hiding about in the MBR was wiped.
 
Thanks for all the help here. I will probably just get a Norton disc and install it when my free Norton runs out. Most of the paid AV program reviews I read all said Norton is one of the very best you can buy, and it seems to be working very well so far. I agree that sensible and safe surfing and use of internet and email etc will go a long way towards keeping malware away from my computer too. I may look into the partitioning and imaging things but to be honest that is way over my head. I would likely do much more harm than good trying all of that. I do appreciate the advice though, and I may see if a computer shop might do it for me. Thanks again.
 
Originally Posted By: crinkles
I have used ESET for 3 years now on the advice of StevieC... It has worked well and picked up threats a few times over those years. I am now using a mac, but will probably switch back to PC next time I upgrade.


This. When I got Norton off my Laptop, it was like a new machine. The nice thing about ESET is it isn't a resource hog and doesn't slow down the machine. I use SUPER AntiSpyware (Free) as a backup and scan using both.
 
@Jimmy:

Don't forget to take advantage of one of the lesser known FREE Norton offerings that is very accurate.

Norton Safe Web here : http://safeweb.norton.com/

If you have any doubts about a web site, BEFORE visiting it use this to see if the site has issues, Norton tests them themselves.
 
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Yep, Norton 2012 has the Norton Safe Web tool bar, it is just under my Chrome tool bar and I can just click the down arrow to check any web site if I don't know whether it's OK. They have another tool called Identity Safe that I am still reading up on but it is supposed to protect my bank and credit card info when I shop and bank or pay bills online. To use my own phraseology, Norton sure seems to be the real deal as far as good AV and internet security goes. I have read a lot of great reviews on it. It works great on this computer too.
 
Glad to hear you are enjoying your new HP desktop, they get a really bad rap and they may have deserved it a few years back for poor quality laptops, but their desktops have always been very good for the money.

I'm posting this on my ten year old plus HP Pavilion 7955! LOL
 
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